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[Scoops Novel]

When was the last time you could have a real Manhood? (And now i'm curious about Womanhood)

[Egan_BW]

What nonsense.

[Scoops Novel]

Please elocute. Society definitely doesn't back up a full expression of your fullness, and hasn't for a while.

[WealthyRadish]

When was the last time you could have a real Manhood?

You used to have to go to special bars to get it, but now I think people just use an app.

[MrRoboto75]

Please elocute. Society definitely doesn't back up a full expression of your fullness, and hasn't for a while.

We experience manhood in a society

[Scoops Novel]

We really do.

[MaxTheFox]

When was the last time you could have a real Manhood?

There's a childish joke here somewhere but I can't find it. Argh.

[MrRoboto75]

When was the last time you could have a real Manhood?

There's a childish joke here somewhere but I can't find it. Argh.

ur mum experienced my manhood

[King Zultan]

What kind of questions are these?

You could have a real childhood in the 80's, a real teenagerhood in the 90's...

I'm pretty sure loads of people experienced this.

[EuchreJack]

I can't remember my childhood in the 80's, and my teenagerhood sucked in the 90's.  Real my ass.

But I'm a Real Man^TM now.  Have been for at least the last five years.

Don't push your preconceptions on me, Mister.

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Personally, I don't think a person's birth genital arrangement has any bearing on whether they are a Real Man.  I mean, yeah I was born a male, but I don't see that as a requirement to being a Real Man.

[Egan_BW]

Please elocute. Society definitely doesn't back up a full expression of your fullness, and hasn't for a while.

First you said some silly cultural stereotypes about people born at different times, but this sentence doesn't even parse.

[Scoops Novel]

Please expand. Society is a obstacle to enjoying, and realising, your maturity, and i'm wondering when it hasn't been.

[None]

You've got it backwards, maturity is the result of society, not impeded by society. You're going to have explain what your obstacle to maturity is, or how you prefer to enjoy and realize it, and what the fuck it has to do with manhood/womanhood (or whatever that means, you've explained nearly nothing) in particular. Sex? Adulthood? Parenthood? Matriarchal/patriarchal power dynamics? Having the agency to serve yourself a bowl of ice cream precisely whenever you want it?

[wierd]

Never.

Full explanation:

A society is an aggregation on many people, from all walks of life, all ages, all genders, and all creeds.

An individual society is differentiated from other societies, based on the mores it has adopted.

Since those mores represent the "most people in the society agree this is right or proper", it is practically impossible for a single individual within that society to 100% align.

What you, as an individual, consider "being a man" is not guaranteed to match what the social more for that status is.  As you alluded to, these mores shift and change with the popular consensus. Compare: Gay marriage now, Vs 60 years ago.

Since your odds of being a 100% perfect match for any articular society's mores is basically 0%, the answer to your question is "never."

To fully maximize the self, one would have to abandon the society. This comes with a lot of downsides, as societies form for real and important reasons, not the least of which being specialist labor and collective resource and security availability.

Armed with that knowledge, an informed individual needs to make an informed choice about which, if any, society BEST fits them, then emigrate and naturalize accordingly.

(Amusingly, this is one of the reasons to not support a homogeneous world government. But dont let the neoliberals hear you.)

[Duuvian]

I think that to that conclusion Socrates disagrees in Book II of Plato's Republic, when he describes the formation of a state (or society) and the benefits it confers to the individual who must otherwise become good at everything rather than specialize and trade labors. While this later was proven to not always be the case with the rise of the polymaths much later, it does still hold water for the most part imo.