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Re: (SG) Petty Kingdom of New Mahallo: Celebration!
« Reply #240 on: August 18, 2021, 05:22:25 pm »

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Economy and living conditions of our people.

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After Horton leaves, Anders speaks with you one on one. You can see the lines of exhaustion on your half brother's face, and deduce that the rumors that he is overworking himself are likely true. Nonetheless, he gives you a personal briefing on the state of your court.
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You might want to think of a diplomatic way out of that situation unless you actually are planning on taking an Imperial spouse.
A mistress would have come in handy here.

Ideally we'll say that events while raiding require us to at least formally consider marriage to certain involved parties, so we can't possibly commit to a wife at this time. They'll be frustrated, but too disdainful of Mahallo culture to question whether any of that's true.

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Do you favor Anders' idea? If so is there a friend or confidant you'd like to apoint spymaster? Is there a powerful figure or group, such as Penteram, Hau, the Merchant families that you like to ask to propose qualified candidates?
No. We'll rephrase it instead- the orcs may be subhuman brutes, but there's no shortage of human traitors willing to profit from their crude bribes. Ideally we'll use our vampire contacts to uncover an example first, which will force him to acknowledge there's something going on here.
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Re: (SG) Petty Kingdom of New Mahallo: Celebration!
« Reply #241 on: August 18, 2021, 05:33:44 pm »

Anders' new assignment is to work on finding excuses to dismantle the De'Ville power structure and execute as many of them as possible. I don't care about their views on Imperial supremacy, but the only one de facto ruling the kingdom should be us.

I'm definitely against having a spymaster who works for anyone else, though. It's fine to work with Maeve and ask for her help, but it would be insane to give her any power.

I recommend the diplomatic solution to the marriage crisis of pretending to be a moonstruck youth who has fallen in love and will not consider other options, should it come up.
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Re: (SG) Petty Kingdom of New Mahallo: Celebration!
« Reply #242 on: August 18, 2021, 05:37:22 pm »

They're also successful merchants and seem competent and loyal enough for the moment, so I'd recommend against going full scorched earth against them. Softening them to Mahallo culture and regaining power via actually being in charge sound like better solutions to me.
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Re: (SG) Petty Kingdom of New Mahallo: Celebration!
« Reply #243 on: August 18, 2021, 05:38:03 pm »

I recommend the diplomatic solution to the marriage crisis of pretending to be a moonstruck youth who has fallen in love and will not consider other options, should it come up.
With whom? They might insist on a name...
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Re: (SG) Petty Kingdom of New Mahallo: Celebration!
« Reply #244 on: August 18, 2021, 05:50:13 pm »

I recommend the diplomatic solution to the marriage crisis of pretending to be a moonstruck youth who has fallen in love and will not consider other options, should it come up.
With whom? They might insist on a name...
Well, it's only relevant if we decide on somebody other than an Imperial, so, with whomever we elect to marry instead.
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Re: (SG) Petty Kingdom of New Mahallo: Celebration!
« Reply #245 on: August 18, 2021, 06:55:54 pm »

The De’Ville are a potential threat. But I think IronyOwl has the right approach for now. Be diplomatic initially and see if they reciprocate in kind. We should get to know our new councilors and vassals so we can determine their level of threat. If it does turn out the De-Ville or other groups are disloyal, we should find a way to remove them. So far it seems like Mathias is the only one we need to remove since his racism is letting Korrag’s spies roflstomp us.
In Crusader Kings 2, when I need to remove a vassal, I make sure I’m powerful enough defeat them in case of the vassal rebels. I just suspect it may have to be a long term project since the De’Ville are so wealthy, Arawn need to gather enough strength to overwhelm them in case of rebellion.
Absolutely a fat NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO on putting an extra close-minded member of a likely imminently particularly troublesome group of hardliners into the position responsible for magic working under an Extra Heretical Magic Fan king.

The De'Villes are going to be an issue - I think we need to do some sniffing around to find out how deeply their influence penetrates the kingdom beyond the council.
I think Powder Miner has a good point.  No need to replace Anders with Mathias right this second.  But we do need to find a a new spymaster soon or Korrag's attacks will keep flowing in.
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« Reply #246 on: August 18, 2021, 07:02:08 pm »

We will probably just want to bite the bullet and replace him outright. Pissing off the De’Villes to that extent is ultimately better than the downsides of not replacing him or of booting Anders - but I want to know more about the overall political situation before making that move.

Similarly, it’s WAY too fucking hasty to go into all-out war against them. I wanted to sniff around with them because I want to know what to look out for when we actually do make whatever moves we do make.
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« Reply #247 on: August 18, 2021, 09:37:46 pm »

Keep current spymaster.

Then establish a second shadow spy ring with vampires and such.  If they find anything they can roundabout inform the spymaster.  This can be used to find orcish spies, infiltrate and co-opt the criminal underworld and establish a secondary power to the wannabe merchant prince.

The most important thing we need is a way to easy trade and travel to the outside world.  We have very slow trade through the desert but must get better.

Is there some reason we cant establish a trade town on the edge of the desert that sends goods over on undead caravans year round?
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Re: (SG) Petty Kingdom of New Mahallo: Celebration!
« Reply #248 on: August 19, 2021, 03:08:46 am »

Is there a powerful figure or group, such as Penteram, Hau, the Merchant families that you like to ask to propose qualified candidates?
Discreetly ask the Merchant families.
The votes don't seem to indicate a public change yet, but I don't think it would hurt to look at potential alternatives to Mathias.
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« Reply #249 on: August 19, 2021, 04:39:38 am »

Sounds like we should just fire the spymaster and be done with it.
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« Reply #250 on: August 19, 2021, 08:08:35 am »

Sounds like we should just fire the spymaster and be done with it.

Yeah, I've moved toward firing him now.
Ask the Merchant Families for a replacement.

4 out of 7 is just too many voices from one family on the Council.

To mollify their anger and keep Burt De'Ville guessing, we can go ahead and take an Imperial bride. Although I will be skeptical of the name he pushes hardest.


I'm definitely against having a spymaster who works for anyone else, though. It's fine to work with Maeve and ask for her help, but it would be insane to give her any power.
The way I see it, the vampires are already using us. This would be using them in turn so we get something more from the arrangement than a vague promise not to harm our closest circle. But it's not that important to push this over other replacement choices.

Is there some reason we cant establish a trade town on the edge of the desert that sends goods over on undead caravans year round?
One, we're not necromancers so the work force would need to come entirely from the Nameless City. If Texulchicum hasn't done it by now it's unlikely he'll start. Two, remember what we were told when we interviewed for necromancy: the rest of civilization loathes those who do not let the dead rest in peace. We'd lose our trade partners in short order.
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Re: (SG) Petty Kingdom of New Mahallo: Celebration!
« Reply #251 on: August 19, 2021, 04:15:52 pm »

Order Anders to take it easy. He's our premiere magic specialist, we can't have him performing his duties while ragged.

{Do not remove Anders from his Court Mage position to inoffensively replace your spymaster}. We'll rephrase it instead- the orcs may be subhuman brutes, but there's no shortage of human traitors willing to profit from their crude bribes. Ideally we'll use our vampire contacts to uncover an example first, which will force him to acknowledge there's something going on here.

You instruct your brother to slow down a bit. "You are my premier magic specialist and my brother Anders. We're in this for the long haul. I can't have you sacrificing your health or performing your duties while ragged from exhaustion."

"So you'll let me off the council then?"

"Probably not. That is where I anticipate that I'll need you most."

Anders explains that in addition to his political work, he spends many hours training in divine magic, performing the duties of an Imperial Priest to impress the common people and other key members of the clergy, and secretly studying other 'less conventional' magics that he thinks might be of use to you or the realm in the future. He asks where exactly it is you want him to cut back.

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You give Keanu, Kaylee, and Kane a discrete mission: Report back to the merchant houses and discretely gather a list of qualified candidates for the position of spy master, without tipping the De'Villes off. Your friends accept their mission, but before they depart, the twins each put their own name forward for the role. Although neither has formal training in spy-craft, they are both fairly clever, and their secret practice of Dragon Magic has taught them much about discretion. Kaylee and Kane are also loyal, perhaps to the point that someone might consider them your toadies or sycophants.

Hiring Kaylee would also come with the benefit of keeping her husband Keanu around; As a skilled outdoorsman with blood ties to several merchant families, your best friend will be expected to eventually leave your side and start running caravans across the desert if you can't come up with a good excuse for him to be at your court. 

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Ideally we'll use our vampire contacts to uncover an example (of Orcish treachery) first, which will force him to acknowledge there's something going on here.

You skip the royal procession, and ride into town with Anders and Andre quietly dressed as a common raider. On your way in, you ask your brothers to wait outside the gatehouse where you take care of some business.

Sergeant Corbin smiles at you from his desk. His rank is only middling in the Bride Price city guard, but as the eldest Bleachedkin Vampire in your home city, he is far more influential than his public rank implies.

Corbin tells you that he has been spotting the occasional sign that some sort of extensive spy ring might exist in Bride Price. Usually some vampire or another would get roped into such a scheme, and he would know the details, but the fact that this hasn't happened allows Corbin to make a key inference anyway.

"If your Orc Spy Ring exists, my King, its leadership runs in circles that Vampires would want to avoid. That means a place with lots of divine casters." He gives you a sideways glance, "I'll put some active effort into looking into this for you, but I can almost promise that whoever is running the operation in town will be closely tied to the Druids at the Grand Temple or the Imperial Clerics running amok at your own court."

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The council meeting begins. A table is set up in your throne room. You sit at the head, your mother at your right hand, and your half brother Anders at your left. Your other councilors, none of whom you know personally, sit elsewhere at the table. An audience is allowed to assemble at a respectful distance. Anders points out Burt De'Ville in the audience, a portly and elderly gentleman who seems physically burdened by the amount of gold and silver jewelry he is wearing. You notice his sons on your council often glace at him to receive a nod of approval whenever they speak.

"Its not usually like this," Anders whispers. "Burt is usually out of town overseeing development of his own projects, but when he is around, half the council suddenly loses the ability to think for themselves."

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Economy and living conditions of our people.

The common citizen of Bride Price has so far escaped the worst of the blockade's economic impact. Some people have lost their jobs, either because the merchant cartels require less labor or their bosses have chosen to employee starving and stranded crusaders willing to work for cheap. But the unemployed so far have had options; The raider clans have built more canoes to take advantage of the larger pool of potential raiders, and Druids at the grand temple have been willing to help the less fortunate set up homesteads out on the frontier.

The real victims so far have been the merchants and the crown. Your mother explains that at the start of her regency she sat down to negoiate with Archdruid Tamar. Historically, the office of the Archdruid ruled and taxed New Mahallo in the name of the Volcanique-Imperial Kingdom. Often times the monarch would even exempt the Archdruid from paying taxes to the crown.

A new arrangement had to be made with New Mahallo receiving a local secular ruler, but Tamar felt that as a blood relative of the King he would have a conflict of interest if he were to negotiate with your mother on the Grand Temple's behalf, so instead a temporary arrangement was reached: The crown would take taxes from the merchants, and the temple would take taxes from the raiders. At the time, both groups had been providing about the same amount taxes, so everybody thought the arrangement would work out until Tamar died or retired and his successor could sit down with the monarch and work out a binding tax code to last the ages.

The Blockade has thrown things out of balance. The raiders are still making money for the temple, but the amount the merchants bring in for the crown has been dropping year by year.

"This year, we expect to receive only 20% of the taxes we got during the first year of your reign, my liege" your mother explains.

"That sounds bad when the honored Queen Mother puts it like that," your steward Horton interjects, "but the blockade wont last forever, and between King Penteram and my esteemed father you will have money if a need arises. In addition to sponsoring the crown, Imperial interests are working hard to civilize this savage land and its people, to ensure future generations of Kings will have respectable and productive subjects to tax."

"The optics of the situation are bad," chimes in another De'Ville at the table, "but in reality there is no true cause for concern. If anything, it will break the power of the heathen merchant families, so that proper and loyal Imperials can take over trade in New Mahallo."

Ask for the council's assessment of the orc situation. We can establish early that it's not just getting swept under the rug.

The De'Villes all laugh.

"The Bloodstone Plateau represents only a minor threat. Unless they luck into committing full force to a raid while the Mahallo raiders are occupied with their own primitive business, they are unlikely to cause any real harm." Mathias explains, "to make matters even better for us, the savage idiots actually picked a full blooded orc to lead them! Such inferior leadership should render them less of a threat. If there is a spy ring in town, it answers to the blasted Eunuch who is attempting to frame the savages."

"If certain uneducated lowborns," Mathias shoots a look of disdain at Anders, "take Felix's bait and think the true threat are the mixed breeds, that speaks more to their own intelligence than the skill of Felix's spies."

No. We'll rephrase it instead- the orcs may be subhuman brutes, but there's no shortage of human traitors willing to profit from their crude bribes.

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"The orcs may be subhuman brutes," you counter, "but there's no shortage of human traitors willing to profit from their crude bribes."

Your statement gives Mathias pause. "Huh... I suppose it could be possible that The Mahallo might be stupid enough to trust an Orc. I'll have my agents start grilling the merchants. If anybody is hurting and desperate enough to take orcish bribes, it would be them."

The topic then moves onto the matter of brides. Before the list is presented, the council brings in several scribes and criers, as well as a tailor and a jeweler.

"Mathias' eyes on that raid you partook in tell us you remained chaste even in the face of great temptation." Old Bishop Guthrey states, "you should be commended for your behavior. Devotion and loyalty to your spouse, even if you have not met her yet, speaks highly to your character. But it is not a King's place to remain a virgin. It is your duty to produce enough heirs to cleanse your realm by the rite of Partition should it grow large enough. The council agrees that you should be wed as soon as possible."

The Bishop smiles. "Our generous benefactor Burt De'Ville has offered to pay for the celebration. All you need do is select a name from the list your requested King Penteram's clergy compile, and stick around to be measured for jewels and garb suitable for a royal groom. We will handle the rest. By the grace of Agusta your wedding feast will be spectacular enough to cause the realm to forget its troubles, and your wedding night will relieve you of and reward you for carrying the burden of chastity."

Possible Brides-
Gisele: Age 20. Gisele has been granted a copy of Agusta's Red Journal, a tome reserved for women who embody the highest standards Imperial Virtue. The secretive journal is said to contain both mundane and magical tricks for both the bedroom and life employed by the God Empress herself. Obvious potential fun aside, having a wife permitted to study the Red Journal is considered a high honor. It also makes her the closest thing to a magical talent on the list.
Marion: Age 16. An orphan raised by the imperial clergy while skin paler than a vampire and eyes as red as a cave dwelling monster. Her albinism, specific birthmarks, and date of birth have lead many clerics to believe that she is the 'Eclipse Mother', a prophesied figure fated to found a house that will one day win a great victory for humanity. Marrying her will likely win the loyalty and patronage of Imperial clerics and wisemen who value prophecy.
Simone: Age 19. The daughter of King Penteram's court chaplain. Like many people at your brother's court, but unlike many women, Simone is renown as a hunter. She apparently has killed canyon trolls in single combat without the benefit of fire. As a hunter yourself, the council thinks she might be a good match.
Juliette: Age 24. A young widow whose first marriage was to an instructor at the prestigious Imperial Academy. Juliette learned much about the art of war from her late husband, and also is said to be a student of engineering and architecture. She has two daughters, whom she tutors personally and to great effect. It might do the realm good to ensure your heirs have a qualified and experienced mother to help raise them and teach them.

Do you pick one of these women? If not, what is your plan to escape your council's hard sell? Do you have any follow up to the other topics, or any new matters to raise?
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« Reply #252 on: August 19, 2021, 05:26:01 pm »

Anders can cut back on some of the public-facing priestly aspects of his position for a while, and at least make an attempt to lean on us privately when it comes to the research of illicit magics, unless our knowledge and connections can’t actually help him out much. If we’re wanting our court mage to be helpful to our own magical efforts it may be worth later splitting it and the religious role into separate council positions, even, or something of that sort. Otherwise either we’re going to de-emphasize one or the other (like I here suggest) or we’re going to fucking combust Anders.

I’m not sure at ALL about hiring a spymaster who isn’t trained given the imminent threat and the BRAINDEAD motherfuckers on our council who will do the opposite of help with it, so I want to wait for their list, but let’s have Keanu act as an unofficial envoy of ours with the Merchant Families. Aside from keeping Keanu around regularlyish, with both the blockade AND the Braindead Motherfuckers, we need to work closely with the merchant families to keep them alive and leverage that time we spent with them into something useful.

Speaking of the Braindead Motherfuckers, let’s insist to them that we need to meet our potential spouses before committing to a marriage, and that at least some level of courtship is required so we can truly know what our spouses offer both as a match for us and as queens. This has the advantage of being something I want to be true, god damn it, I want more information on our potential spouses than little secondhand scraps of introductions. Also, I want to meet crocogirl.
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« Reply #253 on: August 19, 2021, 06:01:29 pm »

"That sounds bad when the honored Queen Mother puts it like that," your steward Horton interjects, "but the blockade wont last forever, and between King Penteram and my esteemed father you will have money if a need arises. In addition to sponsoring the crown, Imperial interests are working hard to civilize this savage land and its people, to ensure future generations of Kings will have respectable and productive subjects to tax."

"The optics of the situation are bad," chimes in another De'Ville at the table, "but in reality there is no true cause for concern. If anything, it will break the power of the heathen merchant families, so that proper and loyal Imperials can take over trade in New Mahallo."

Under other circumstances, I would be quite cross with a steward who told me one-fifth revenue is quite acceptable. I am sure it is a good sign, then, that your esteemed father is so much better off and not troubled by the blockade. It is a relief to me to know that at least a few of my subjects prosper no matter how the realm as a whole is impoverished.

"Mathias' eyes on that raid you partook in tell us you remained chaste even in the face of great temptation." Old Bishop Guthrey states, "you should be commended for your behavior. Devotion and loyalty to your spouse, even if you have not met her yet, speaks highly to your character. But it is not a King's place to remain a virgin. It is your duty to produce enough heirs to cleanse your realm by the rite of Partition should it grow large enough. The council agrees that you should be wed as soon as possible.

Sigh, yes. As my father did. He was certainly a devout Imperial, though it doesn't seem to have quite rubbed off on his other sons. I wonder if I'll manage so many children that I can send my youngest to a far off land where many of the more constricting articles of the faith are questioned, and none are enforced? Father did not bid me to choose Saint Arawn's example for my regnal name, yet gradually I have seen how I was led into it. It has indeed been a burden to maintain myself, Bishop Guthrey. Though I suppose it matters little how many sons I sire if I cannot expand the realm before I pass. I only hope our gracious sponsors will be equally eager to equip an army if it is called for as to hold a feast.

Oh, but my thoughts have strayed. We were meant to be planning my nuptials. All these candidates are remarkable, but I dare say the one who stands out to me is . . .


Juliette
We're frankly short on non-magic learning around here. If she truly has skill in engineering, maybe she can even work something out that would better contain or channel that river-flood magic Tamar told us about. Divine guidance is the best lead so far to breaking an army that is probably more than five times our size (that is, combined from 5 petty kingdoms, while we had the worst lot).

Tell Anders to cut back on the illicit magic for a while, unless he knows a specific application that he hasn't brought up yet. We need him to be part of the public face of our reign keeping up our image in the likely event that we will shortly fire one or more of the council members.
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« Reply #254 on: August 19, 2021, 06:05:52 pm »

Anders can cut back on some of the public-facing priestly aspects of his position for a while, and at least make an attempt to lean on us privately when it comes to the research of illicit magics, unless our knowledge and connections can’t actually help him out much. If we’re wanting our court mage to be helpful to our own magical efforts it may be worth later splitting it and the religious role into separate council positions, even, or something of that sort. Otherwise either we’re going to de-emphasize one or the other (like I here suggest) or we’re going to fucking combust Anders.

I’m not sure at ALL about hiring a spymaster who isn’t trained given the imminent threat and the BRAINDEAD motherfuckers on our council who will do the opposite of help with it, so I want to wait for their list, but let’s have Keanu act as an unofficial envoy of ours with the Merchant Families. Aside from keeping Keanu around regularlyish, with both the blockade AND the Braindead Motherfuckers, we need to work closely with the merchant families to keep them alive and leverage that time we spent with them into something useful.

Speaking of the Braindead Motherfuckers, let’s insist to them that we need to meet our potential spouses before committing to a marriage, and that at least some level of courtship is required so we can truly know what our spouses offer both as a match for us and as queens. This has the advantage of being something I want to be true, god damn it, I want more information on our potential spouses than little secondhand scraps of introductions. Also, I want to meet crocogirl.
+1 to all this.

Marion is pretty tempting, though. Prophecy!
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