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[Roden]

I Tracked Tric, he didn't do anything. No kill again just makes me assume Lovers is scum's obtuse kill method, and we likely have another pair.

[ToonyMan]

I Tracked Tric, he didn't do anything. No kill again just makes me assume Lovers is scum's obtuse kill method, and we likely have another pair.

He did mention his redirect was one-shot on D1.

Okay NJW you can say whatever.

[EuchreJack]

I Tracked Tric, he didn't do anything. No kill again just makes me assume Lovers is scum's obtuse kill method, and we likely have another pair.

Or mafia, despite my warnings and obviousness, decided to try killing Toonyman again.  I rolled the rng, got Toonyman, and jailkeeper'd him.

If that is true, I might be able to deduct the mafia team from that fact.  Others would depend on whether they believe me or not.
Whom would roll the dice on a 50/50 for two dead townies, and who would kill other targets?

No lovers on me.

[EuchreJack]

@NJW: Whom did you watch? Who did you see?

[NJW2000]

Ugh. There's the same problem as before: only I know that one of Tric and Euchre must be scum. Possibly there's a workaround here.


Ok. Scum know this information, so I'll make it public immediately.

I was hit with the lovers effect. I die the day after if Tric is eliminated. Note that it has to be through elimination for me to die. This is why I'd like Toonyman to daykill Tric, while we lynch EuchreJack.


Either Tric is doing the lovers'ing, in which case it looks like the ability is one-target, or EuchreJack is part of a scumteam and has a two-target ability.

In either case, Roden must have falsely reported a night result, unless someone interfered with a tracking action. At this point, I'm pretty sure Roden's scum. (I would actually consider us killing both me and Roden today, but I guess that might be taking a risk that their night result was due to a redirect or similar.)


That's all the information I have. I couldn't use my ability tonight because of the caveats FoU put on it.

[EuchreJack]

@NJW: How do you know you got lovers from Tric?

If Tric and I survive until end of day, shouldn't I jailkeeper Tric?

[EuchreJack]

@Toonyman: Does your Lovers work the same as NJW's, or differently?

[NJW2000]

@NJW: How do you know you got lovers from Tric?

If Tric and I survive until end of day, shouldn't I jailkeeper Tric?

I did not say this. I know I am lovers with Tric - or at least that I die the day after he's eliminated. No guarantee it works the same way for him.

Ideally neither of you will be alive at day end, but sure, I guess you should consider it. Announcing your plan for the night may backfire, especially if you don't know many people's abilities, but it would certainly be an option.

[EuchreJack]

Roden could be telling the truth if Tric's accomplice did the Lover'ing to you. I'm surprised you didn't consider that possibility.

[NJW2000]

Roden could be telling the truth if Tric's accomplice did the Lover'ing to you. I'm surprised you didn't consider that possibility.

That would mean that the ability is two-target, in which case scum would have chosen to target themselves both nights - an odd decision, to say the least.

[EuchreJack]

But...how do we know that Toonyman's daykill is Town-aligned?  Maybe FOU gave the mafia a daykill?

Ah, I miss these absurd reasonings. You're either town!Jack or playing mafia well.

It's not so absurd if the mafia don't have a kill. And this probobly explains where the idea came from. Or at least not a traditional one. A poisoner kill would mean someone with a daykill would be useful near game end.

I thought Tric's earlier discussion about Toonyman's day kill and the suggestion that mafia might not have a kill was relevant.  The full post is below, spoilered for length:

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@Roden:

The idea of no-vote Day 1 into mass claim Day 2 is that it quite literally gives scum only minutes to come up with a fake claim that doesn't contradict the town mass claim + night action reveals. And with four town vs two scum that's one extra PR that can catch a slip up.

Meh, I don't know. I like the idea of changing the D1 game plan each time though since in this game players are going to have recent memories of past rounds to use and exploit. Plus, a meta strategy is questionable with unknown setups each round. I think your intentions feel honest here which strikes me as town.

Why I'm voting Toonyman.  Roden has posted 3 times, not once pushing or accusing anyone of anything, and posting a "questionable" strategy that mafia may be able to exploit...and Toonyman TOWNREADS Roden.

Look, I dunno if Roden is mafia or town.  Who does? MAFIA.  Vote Toonyman!

Question, why Townread Roden so early on, despite disagreeing with him on not lynching.
Wait no, that was NJW. Who you have as your current best target.

My question to you Tric is why openly state your flavor role in the first place?

That is the question isn't it? Why did I do so?

I think it's because you don't want to reveal your actual ability, but sure be annoying and difficult. This is different from last game where you were much more forthcoming. I'm probing to get a better idea of your motivations.

This round has been boring. My flavor has my stated profession (biologist) along with my actual profession. Hence my extreme raised eyebrow at you simply claiming Psychologist and nothing else.

Also I have a day-kill. Should I use it today? Who's a good player for me to kill Tric? Somebody who isn't playing?

Turning this on it's head. Do mafia have a nightkill? We have a lot of roles that can mess with things so far. Vector isn't talking, and you bring this out an ask who we want dead. Even though...
Hmm. Do we have a doctor or not is my question. Right now we have a redirect, a track, and vig. Of the remaining, if two are mafia alligned. Granted, one of us could be.. Are you attempting to draw the doctor to target you?
... Not that that makes sense with the idea there is no mafia kill, but still. Perhaps as an ally. (Not enough info here. Day 2 gives a lot more based on what happens at night.)

Surprisingly similar to your last round's ability albeit in a different way. I think you're being honest here. Which means that only some of us have stated public professions.

My ability is also one-shot and easily confirmable. I was thinking to target someone right before day end since I feel like mafia will just want to kill me N1 again and I'm selfish enough to want to actually take someone out myself. I had a 100% mafia read rate last round after all.

To note. I'm pretty sure this is patently untrue of your N1 reads. You have a 50% read rate, never tying Jack/Vector together in one team. (Even if I like the idea of an NJW/Tric team, which would have been funny. But I'm not that good an actor to hem and haw over not trusting NJW.)

But...how do we know that Toonyman's daykill is Town-aligned?  Maybe FOU gave the mafia a daykill?

Ah, I miss these absurd reasonings. You're either town!Jack or playing mafia well.

It's not so absurd if the mafia don't have a kill. And this probobly explains where the idea came from. Or at least not a traditional one. A poisoner kill would mean someone with a daykill would be useful near game end.

I don't like jack's play. It's similar to last game but instead of never taking a real stance this game jack is taking many weak stances. NJW seems like a player I will have difficulty reading. Ultimately I'll have to do some kind of agenda meta analysis. The way Tric tunnels on roden is notable

I think the way Jack is flopping around is indicative they're town.

I trust Roden who believes in Jack.
I trust Jack based on their behavior.
If I trust Vector then I should suspect Tric.
I don't trust Tric.
I'm mixed on NJW (I would shoot Tric or Met over NJW right now).

I think there's at least one mafia between Tric and Met.

@NJW:
Between Tric and Met who do you think is a more likely hit?

... Met hadn't actually had time to post. So why do you assume him to be Mafia? I mean, you assume me too, but I haven't had any interactions with him. No one has. Well, other than jack, but that's quite recent. He's still in the push stage of voting.


Nin. More posts.

Jack is getting in on analyzing too it seems. Sorta?

As for your question, sorta? I was mostly just listening to the musical tracks.(this sentence sorta irks me for some reason. Grammer mostly.)
Also, it's neither. NJW is still playing their game and Met just showed up.. That said Met might be able to make a case on Jack if he's playing better as mafia.
Neither player has a higher chance of being mafia to me though. As suspicious as I find NJW, it's still just a gut instinct, and he played that way last game too.

[EuchreJack]

Roden could be telling the truth if Tric's accomplice did the Lover'ing to you. I'm surprised you didn't consider that possibility.

That would mean that the ability is two-target, in which case scum would have chosen to target themselves both nights - an odd decision, to say the least.

Ah, another error on your part.  Wouldn't it be easier for the ability to say something like "X player becomes Lovers with Tric?"
Essentially an infection where mafia gets everyone linked to Tric, then pushes for the elim of Tric who's basically become a Jester?
That was actually my first idea, and the fact you didn't think of it, is a bit odd.

And if Roden and Tric are scumbuddies, why would Roden track Tric and try to clear Tric? In fact, Tric's most likely scum buddy would be trying to avoid as much attention as possible, as they've bascially become a survivor under your theory.  And yet you think it's the highly-visible Roden?  Nobody else?

[ToonyMan]

I believe you NJW.

During the night I scratched up a bunch of notes while at work. I don't have access to the files right now, but I did theorize that Tric is the most suspicious out of NJW/Tric/Jack and that Roden would be their partner in this situation.

I'm a pretty logical person, this is the biggest reason Tric was confusing me so much as their actions are not logical, but it is the most likely scenario as I am more sure of Jack being town than Tric.

After some more discussion I will most likely agree to your plan. I will poison Tric today. I am unsure who we should lynch, but Tric is almost certainly lying about their ability. After some thinking and rethinking I believe Tric/Roden are the mafia and I will try to explain exactly why during the course of this day. If my theory is wrong then that leaves me with NJW/Vector again, but Tric is more suspicious than NJW or Jack.

[ToonyMan]

Did anyone else get Lovers last night or was it just NJW? This is very important to know.

Nothing of note happened to me last night besides the fact I still have Lovers with Tric. NJW is correct in how the Lovers effect works. I did not describe how it works exactly yesterday, but even so he has confirmed that it triggers specifically on execution.

[ToonyMan]

My poison does not kill until the end of the following day. I left this detail out to seem more powerful than I am, but since I will be using my poison today there's no longer any reason to hide this detail.

We should leave Jack alive so that he can jailkeep Tric during this night as Tric will still be able to do stuff tonight and we don't exactly want that.