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[NJW2000]

NJW: You got an interesting ability.

I imagine most of us do. Are you going to do anything other than claim to have information about my abilities? For example, try to set up something where you demonstrate that you actioned me last night by telling me what the ability does?

I would ask me before saying anything more about my abilities. There are some I'd rather have scum not know about.

Well nevermind then.

Vector: you were popular last night. Did you receive any feedback from all the actions that were played on you?

Is this a claim, IcyTea?

[IcyTea31]

Vector: you were popular last night. Did you receive any feedback from all the actions that were played on you?

Is this a claim, IcyTea?

I do claim to know that several actions were played on Vector last night, yes.

[4maskwolf]

Interesting.

And annoying.

notquitethere: Let's say for a moment that you're town, and Jim Groovester is telling the truth on tricmagic being town.  You're the wagonomics and charts guy, what would it tell you that yesterday's EoD ended with T/T/T wagons?

[dolores]

Spoiler: Cut read/reasoning (click to show/hide)

I wasn't super sure how to feel before re-reading him while making the read, so normally I'd not post something like this but it's an (inarticulate) record of some of my reasoning on how I got to the read you'll see later in soft town.
notquitethere
I dunno man. I think his inactivity and reductive posts earlier on D1 were pretty bad, he took side swipes some low hanging fruit and then settled on the post-count based lynch. While it's not as if this is completely out of NQT's meta, I'm not going to forgive his disengagement from every other case made on D1, because I don't think his case on leafsnail was very good.
Rereading it, I don't really have a huge problem with his voting for leafsnail or anything like that. What bothers me is that NQT didn't do anything to dispel the case on Toonyman, which he also believed in.
I also think that his EoD1 play makes perfect sense if he was phoneposting and had bad information (it'd be literally impossible to keep up with that EoD on a phone) and actually thought the lynch was between him and tric.

NQT: what are your current thoughts on Leafsnail?

[dolores]

Toaster: can you elaborate on why you think NQT definitely isn't scum?

[4maskwolf]

PFP

4maskwolf, IcyTea

NQT, Vector, Luckyowl, TricMagic

Jim Groovester

Dolores, FallacyOfUrist

3+ Scum below this line

Heydude6
Nirur Torir, Toaster, NJW
Leafsnail

[dolores]

The worst take

Why are Vector, NQT, lO, town?
Why Leaf over Nirur or Toaster?

[4maskwolf]

The worst take

Why are Vector, NQT, lO, town?
Why Leaf over Nirur or Toaster?

Because that’s where my head is at as I’m waking up and processing things.

[dolores]

Spoiler: Shortform (click to show/hide)

dolores

FallacyofUrist
heydude6
NJW2000
4maskwolf
IcyTea31

TricMagic
Leafsnail

notquitethere
Jim Groovester
Luckyowl

Vector
Toaster
Nirur Torir

Spoiler: Towncore (click to show/hide)

FallacyofUrist
FoU is paying a lot of attention and is very active. They're confused by a lot of the same things that I'm being confused by, and don't really seem to have insider information. They're being caught up on mechanics and trying to either understand other people's claims (and catch them in contradictions) or are buying into the importance of their own actions/powers overmuch. I'd expect a scum fallacy to be much less active, also, he has/had a very strong habit of lurking last time(s) I played where he was scum. Has an unambiguous desire to lynch scum specifically over third party/etc. Did the work when Leafsnail got fingered, didn't really find much, instantly turned on NQT for fingering Leafsnail without having done the work. Super towny.
heydude6
My read hasn't changed since D1. On a WIFOM note, town!toony/pazuzu means he can't be on a scumteam with the contract sender.
NJW2000
No change from D1. Good cases, doing work, nothing I can fault them on. Hard town read. They're third on this list only because I legitimately don't think FoU or heydude6 are able to do this good a job as scum.
dolores
Actually just a placeholder to put in a powergap. I still have a pretty hard townread on The Cult, but I wouldn't literally bet the game on it.
4maskwolf+ICT
Most of my problems with 4maskwolf were blown away by the way he handled the EoD1. He either clarified or added to his Toony case until it was in a more believable shape and was consistent in which parts of it he believed in, his concerns about NQT were grounded and articulated, he was paying attention to the thread and obviously cared about people's alignments and what was happening, etc. This is a pretty solid softtown read.
ICT brought out his longform case. I didn't have a problem with it. I think he believed it. This read is pretty much the same as it was last reads list, except he did pull through with a case. Solid enough towntell.
Collectively, I find it very unlikely both these players are scum, which they'd more or less have to be together.

Spoiler: SoftTown (click to show/hide)

TricMagic
I still think this is his town meta. There's a lot of stuff he's said which suggests he is town and nothing's really changed since D1 when I said I thought he was playing to his town meta.
Also, I guess he's been mechanically cleared by Jim's scanner.
Leafsnail
Yeah I think he's town. Like, obviously, he hasn't done a whole lot but I don't think his passivity is either: outside of his town meta (in P25 town!leafsnail played very passively, for example), not explained by his lack of time. The strand of that argument is as-of-yet unresolved on his side but his misreading of my argument re:ToonyMan's post seems legitimate and felt entirely different to the deliberately manipulative replies toony was giving. Obviously, he could do a lot more and I'd prefer that and I'd lynch him sooner than anyone in my towncore, but I don't have any particular problems with him besides inactivity.

Spoiler: Fairly Neutral (click to show/hide)

notquitethere
Probably town, like, statistically. The tric votes were objectively correct if he did think the lynch was between him and tric, which I can easily believe he did if he was pfp which he said at the time that he was.
I don't like that NQT didn't have much engagement with what other people were doing on D1. That's the big problem. He isn't placed in any sort of context. The leafsnail case made sense, especially from NQT, his opinions on Tric and Toony were measured and believable, but basically he just wasn't in the thread enough for me to have a good grasp on how he was thinking regarding other players and it's not a good look.
Jim Groovester
I don't have a problem with any of Jim's arguments. They've all been logically consistent, he doesn't have like scumslips I'd point to. However, (I need to call someone scum) he's made commitments to not doing work then engaged with parts of things which he knew he didn't have the context to engage with. The big thing here is the ToonyMan cases; Jim's broad comment on the wagon without having read the cases is both extremely damning (for him) but also what I'd expect him to think if he'd only read vector's case.
Luckyowl
Putting a lot less effort into helping the town than Tricmagic, who is the immediate comparison to make.

Spoiler: Scum (click to show/hide)

Vector
Fine opening, no particular early game concerns. Weak case on Toony, cast shade on the other cases on toony broadly without actually criticizing their points. The occasional questionable statement which seems to be false and just there to manipulate people (like "As you all know, Toony hasn't been posting that much or that involved. Then he posts a big 'ol wall of text. Part of that wall is of particular interest to me." here).  Bailed on Toony for Leafsnail after having said Leafsnail isn't town for meta reasons and then never actually following up on it. Came back to Toony lynch when it was vs. NQT.
Toaster
Engaged and active and relevant play, except literally no engagement with the ToonyMan cases, sitting on lazy lynches (sitting on ICT for the longest time, then moved to tric, then moved to leafsnail at NQT's request, then back to tric). Committed super hard to refusing to accept that NQT was scum during the EoD shitstorm.
Nirur Torir
Strong post-RVS after they switched in. No engagement with any of the actual cases people were making in the later part of the day. Their take on the cases on ToonyMan, which I maintain were quite strong, was explosively bad. They totally mischaracterize some of the cases, particularly egregious is glossing over the fact that NJW was the one following up the slip in the first place. I'd lean towards saying that Nirur knew that Toony was town but couldn't actually fault the cases; especially when compared to how much work they had done previously in the more RVSy part of early D1, it's odd to see so little from them over the thing the day actually came down to.

I suspect the ToonyMan lynch totally fucked scum because they knew he was town and couldn't articulate why, y'know, without showing that they were scum.

[dolores]

"Why aren't you voting"
Fuck you that's why.

I want to construct the cases and be sure that I'm not wrong, but since you asked
Nirur Torir
I'd vote Vector but they're going to pretend that it bothers that I'm voting with them even though they're not going to convince one single person on this planet that I give a shit what they think and actually I'm more convinced at this point (prior to making the cases) that Nirur is scum, which is the only thing which really matters.
They're all scum though
(Vector, Nirur Torir, Toaster)

[TricMagic]

I'm going to point out we have thief somewhere who can steal hats. Also apparently the badge shop isn't open at night which sucked. So make sure not to keep the hat lest it get stolen. Of course there are issues f you end up giving it to non-town.

11/1/4 is the current set right? For now I can say I used Leave Comment on Jim last night. No roleblock message, so assume that went through. High chance of the modification working if he is town. Medium chance it worked if they weren't town but SK based upon current instinct. Some chance Leave Comment doesn't do anything. Either way I'll put them at soft town until proven otherwise, which is good enough for me.

I'd ask Vector why they used the Mask last phase, but maybe they are a day phase actioner. Them being the thief in question would not be out.

As usual, would be fine with a Vector lynch since as far as I know, a trade action uses up your action for the day. Dolores' post links to a post on them that has my own defeatist post. I would like Leafsnail to give his reasoning for voting me.  And that leaves Toaster as the one who wouldn't change their vote at all. Why so certain?

[webadict]

Personally, I left because I missed Wubba and Pandarsenic and I didn't like visiting various threads in GD and being called "it." Among other, more personal reasons. But the point is: we can work together to make the culture on this board better, and then maybe we would attract and keep new players. I was really shocked to read BYOR 0 and see that we'd lost someone due to being called the C-slur.

I never thought I would do this again, but I volunteer as an IC for the next Beginner's Mafia we run (if we can get the players). I keep feeling like I've forgotten everything, but then it turns out that we haven't managed to transmit even some of the most basic stuff to the next generation. That's nobody's fault, but we need to get it done.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Awww! Don't tell the others, but your my favorite player (and moderator, that flavor is the best).

If you want help ICing... I don't mind joining you. I'm actually working on making Mamobo a literal game moderator, and hopefully it can actually run games on its own!

[webadict]

Also, I'm fixing the OP for Day 2, but for those that don't see it,

The Badge is the No Bonk Badge!

No Bonk Badge - 100 pons
(1-Shot, Auto) No Bonk Badge: Whenever you use a kill action, it fails.

[heydude6]

heydude6: did you receive evidence of an action performed on you?

I think Toony’s Ghost visited me last night. That’s it. Seems like everyone else was more interested in Vector.

[notquitethere]

I'm doing my read back now. Just to answer a few quick questions:

Dolores, I was posting from my phone (in bed) at the end of the last day. You can even tell because my ability to spell and use punctuation precipitated sharply. Also up until almost an hour before the end of the day, I thought the day was ending at midnight, before finding out it was ending at a 1 AM instead. I did genuinely think my head was on the block after 4mask lead that charge on me.

4mask, I think if it was T/T/T then that says something interesting about the people who weren't switching their votes. Remember also that mafia don't know who's a 3rd party, and they get to look productive if they take out a serial killer (or whatever).  I'm looking into it now.

ICT, more broadly, what often happens is no one questions the shape of the lynch and a minority candidate is lynched without scum having to break a sweat. 

I spotted something interesting about NQT that I'll want to talk to him about.

Did you say what this was?


Everyone

I think we should induce a highly suspicious player who doesn't have a confirmable night action to take this badge by the end of the day:

No Bonk Badge - 100 pons
(1-Shot, Auto) No Bonk Badge: Whenever you use a kill action, it fails.

It could limit the mafia's ability to make night kills.