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[Superdorf]

I see which way the wind's blowing.

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[Powder Miner]

What a vote though, holy hell

[wierd]

The better option is to find some way to be of inextricable need to the EoM.  Say for instance, if we prevent the failure of his webway project, by providing some form of material (and maybe immaterial?) assistance for the project to prevent chaos from doing the nasty to it.  I am thinking some kind of "intrinsic", such as active mitigation of chaos manipulation of the project simply from our involvement. (If we are naturally chaos resistant, we might be able to assist in such a manner? The future would be PROFOUNDLY less grimdark if humanity has webway that actually works.)

(Otherwise, being carbon based is not going to make the imperium less likely to drop an exterminatus on our planet, so that is a moot point of contention at this point.  Just being a Xeno is more than enough.)

[Ardent Debater]

I was thinking more on what humanity is going to inevitably bring on us and I realized another issue. The Emperor is out there. That means that even if we by some miracle beat them to the punch and find Earth before human expansion, we can't merk them. Emps will kill us all. The entire period of time Emps is alive, we can't beat humanity no matter how powerful we grow conventionally. And if we screw up the timeline badly enough Chaos will fail to create an avatar strong enough to kill Emps for us, and he will kill us all.

That's gonna be fun to deal with!

Spoiler:  GM Note (click to show/hide)

Don't forget the breakdown of Warp travel, and emergence of independent warlords, pocket empires (both human and xenos, including then not-so minor races and an abundance of Orkz), and slaving raiders prior to the Great Crusade, which was of an obscene scale before the Emperor found the Primarchs and it began in full. There is nothing saying humanity's expansion in the Great Crusade Era cannot be checked and countered, or even repulsed and driven back, but considering the intensity and outcome of the Rangdan Xenocides, it would be a hellacious undertaking. Fortunately, the Galactic South underwent the least of the Great Crusade and the species is in an Isolated Star System with a Lack of Warp Routes.

Depends, how much does he require ships to get to orbit and how well can he survive a planet cracker of the sort that 40k throws around like bad candy on Halloween?

Spoiler:  GM Note (click to show/hide)

The Emperor is... arguably beyond the psyker rating system. To give context to the scale, Malcador the Sigillite was able to telekinetically lift a fully-armoured Primarch with minimal effort and at one point, concealed Saturn's moon Titan in the Warp. He's considered only the third most powerful psyker among Mankind, the second being Magnus the Red, and the first the Emperor, by an enormous margin. That said, he is not unbeatable, but you would be hard-pressed to defeat him without a significant advantage in firepower and esoteric technology, and that's before getting into the massive fleet that accompanied him wherever he went during the time he was active.

Is there a time period where humanity isn't xenophobic and we could conceivably then befriend them?

Spoiler:  GM Note (click to show/hide)

Humanity during the Dark Age of Technology was immeasurably less hostile to the galaxy at large, many xenos species coexisted with them in alleged prosperity. Then five millennia in the Age of Strife began, most of their former allies turned on them, and Homo Sapiens at large became opposed to the concept. Even so, there are numerous examples of human and xenos societies thriving well into the Great Crusade Era, though minimal known of after.

Humanity in the Dark Age of Technology is real poorly defined so it might be possible. We can probably avoid the immediate murderlist, at least

Spoiler:  GM Note (click to show/hide)

Nothing is graven into stone for the species at this point, and I will be keeping close track of the canonical timeline once you move into sapience, as I outlined previously, though I'm more than open to increasing/reducing the length of the 'turns' as requested or seems reasonable.

What a vote though, holy hell

Spoiler:  GM Note (click to show/hide)

I'm legitimately stunned that twenty people thought this thread was worth replying to, and I'll be doing all that I can to deliver.

The better option is to find some way to be of inextricable need to the EoM.  Say for instance, if we prevent the failure of his webway project, by providing some form of material (and maybe immaterial?) assistance for the project to prevent chaos from doing the nasty to it.  I am thinking some kind of "intrinsic", such as active mitigation of chaos manipulation of the project simply from our involvement. (If we are naturally chaos resistant, we might be able to assist in such a manner? The future would be PROFOUNDLY less grimdark if humanity has webway that actually works.)

(Otherwise, being carbon based is not going to make the imperium less likely to drop an exterminatus on our planet, so that is a moot point of contention at this point.  Just being a Xeno is more than enough.)

Spoiler:  GM Note (click to show/hide)

I've said it before but I'll say it again, originating from an Isolated Star System with a Lack of Warp Routes and a Thick Immaterial Veil in the Galactic South has its advantages.

[King Zultan]

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[Hotfire90]

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Silicon (14): NG, IncompetentFortressMaker, Madman, TL, SC777, Kilojoule Proton, 0cra, Chaoskl21, Glass, Frostgiant, Puppyguard, Superdorf, King Zultan, Hotfire
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[Ardent Debater]

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Silicon (14): NG, IncompetentFortressMaker, Madman, TL, SC777, Kilojoule Proton, 0cra, Chaoskl21, Glass, Frostgiant, Puppyguard, Superdorf, King Zultan, Hotfire
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Brought low by the crushing weight of the world, so scourged by radiation under the merciless alien sky, is it any wonder that when life arose, it did so in a manner and composition utterly alien? Many are the wise ones who would judge the microscopic salt-feeders as a local anomaly, their crystalline cell-walls an exotic but not unusual adaption... There are that many more who, examining closer, would be struck dumb, trembling and sputtering into their instruments to deem that which they saw impossible. Not a single example of this jagged world's nascent life would care, and not in the least for their current lack of a consciousness. How hubristic would they be, to insist that they subordinate themselves to the worn and weathered conventions of the countless carbon-choked biospheres thousands of light-years away? Here, things were different, and so it was they would be done.

Not subsisting on chains and strands of carbon but spools and whorls of silicon, the evolution of life spurned the path countless millions of phyla were fated to trod in favor of carving out another of their own, through impossible resilience and still-greater persistence. In and of themselves, they approached existence from a fundamentally alien foundation, one which would provide a texture and context for everything that was to follow. Slowly, stubbornly continuing to multiply despite the cosmic glare that would see them torn apart at their basest parts, the microbes of the eastern ocean trudged on in surging determination. Eventually they came to fill the waters of the cavern systems and from there, in a mere hundred millennium, not a single body of water could claim to be absent of their reach. With denser population came fiercer competition, pressure that cast countless dead-ends by the wayside, scorned and forgotten for their insufficiency, and allowed a handful of ideal and fortunate examples of what it was to be silicon perpetuate themselves and in doing so, demonstrate their primacy.

The emergence of macro-cellular life was an inevitability, blind and shuddering in the darkest depths beneath the surface, it soon died, but set a precedent that would be filled, again and again ad infinitum until one instance stuck. So it was that the skewed priorities of an alien ecosystem became readily apparent, in a visage unthinkable to farflung Terra or perhaps, eerie in superficial simplicity. Held aside the particles establishing what the core tenets of structure mean, something as raw and crude as shape alone is minor indeed, but perhaps most striking to bear witness to. Nothing so lofty as the minute distinction between mammalia and reptilia on Terra, this is elementary and will doubtless determines the countenance of myriad life-forms to come.

What form of symmetry do the vast majority or failing that, the entirety of life-forms on this world adhere to?

Unset Symmetry: The concept of a set "pattern" to life is alien and inimical to the creatures here, whether they take on the shape of a sprawling mass of tumorous vessels, writhing tendrils reaching for succor, or something yet stranger, there is not the faintest vestige of symmetry to be found in their physicality. Perhaps more frail than robust alternatives, their unspeakable bodies may yield an advantage in the distant future.
Tubular Symmetry: Rejecting the duality of Terra, life here takes on a circular ring shape reminiscent of the basis of their biochemical reactions, then branches outward, to take on the shape of singular, rounded tubes of varying size and adaption. Make no mistake, their simplicity belies alien instinct wrought by ancient history, and any who have seen the serpents of Terra in action can attest to the efficiency of such of a body-plan.
Paired Symmetry: Akin to Mankind, the Aeldari, and the Orkoidz among others, there is no guarantee they adhere to the same physical frame or preconceptions of life, but they share a commonality in the fact that the life-forms here can be counted on to have two near-identical sides, each arrayed in a distinct and rarely broken synthesis with one another. Extraordinarily common, binate architecture is arguably the default assumption of life in the galaxy.
Triune Symmetry: Bizarre in complexity but far from impossible, for one reason or another, life here has evolved to take on a three-sided body-plan, as though they were an assortment of living triangles, tripods, or something yet stranger. Such an intricate series of angles require more sustenance to support themselves than others might, but their descendants will be unquestionably inured to the rigors of multitasking and difficult to surprise.
Further Symmetry: Truly unthinkable, more than possibly unrecognizable as alive to Terran eyes before it begins to move, the life-forms here cleave to a symmetry that goes beyond a paltry three, boasting a staggering four or more sides, each near the same and feeding into the other. A wide variety of shapes are available for such, from lofty polygons and lowly cubes, to the transcendence of sides entirely in claimance of a spheroid shape. (Specify How Many Sides)

Spoiler:  The Home System (click to show/hide)

Location: The Galactic South
Sun's Radiation: Harsh
Home-World's distance from Sun: Middling
Home-World's Size: Large
Home-World's Topology: Jagged
Home-World's Number of Moons: One
Home-System Traits:
- Isolated Star System
- Thick Immaterial Veil
- Frequent Meteorites
- Lack of Warp Routes
Home-World Traits:
- Cavern Networks
- Mineral Abundance
- Ideal Atmosphere

Spoiler:  The Home-World's Biosphere (click to show/hide)

Respiratory Gas: Chlorine
Dominant Symmetry: To be determined

[MetalSlimeHunt]

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GLORY TO THE TRI-ANGLE, MOST PERFECT OF SHAPES! SKREEEEEEEEEEEE!

[Naturegirl1999]

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[wierd]

Further symmetry.

Silicon compounds tend to form arrangements based on trigonal-pyramidial base units. Evolutionary exploitation of this arrangment can produce consistent breaks in crystalline blandness, and give rise to the kinds of structures I suggested previously. (Such as exploitation of different chiral "handedness" of such structures), allowing for ornate and interesting morphologies. (See for instance, the stunning degree of variation found in diatom shells, which are made from biochemically secreted silicon compounds.)

Early life may have a preference for trigonal symmetry, with a bilateral secondary symmetry (such as diatom shell, which has trigonal symmetry for each half of the shell, which is bilaterally symmetrical with the other side of the shell, in most cases) but advanced life may favor trigonal "plates" in any number of configurations. 

Symmetry is probably radial, but bilateral is possible too. 

I will go full on imagination orgasm here-- let me dig out some pencils.

[Taricus]

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[wierd]

Screw it, I will just try my best to explain.

Consider a 6 legged starfish like creature.  In actuality, it has 3 legs, and 3 arms.  The ventral (lower) section of the creature has 6 roughly triangular plates that converge to a blunted point that points downward. The plates extend outward, away from the body, and up at an approximately 50 degree upward slant. These structures give rise to the arms, which are articulated and terminate in 3 bladed "fingers" at the end of each extremity.  A similar construction exists on the dorsal (upper) section, descending downward at the same 50ish degree slant, forming articulated legs terminating in 3, triangular toes on each foot.  (Visual aid-- consider a cylon base ship.  Now consider that the lower section's extending "arms" angle upwards at ~50 degrees, and the upper section's arms angle downwards the same amount. Instead of being smooth on the top and bottom, the arm structures form apical points. Each arm section is comprised of 2 roughly triangular plates with a central seam.)

The fissures of the ventral section contain orifices for ingesting well weathered clay silicate mineral and crystalline salt, as well as ducts for expelling high concentration hydrochloric acid, which is stored in 12 chambers, 2 along the length of each extremity. 

The dorsal section is much more robust and ornate then the ventral section, and contains highly exagerated plates with thick and heavy ridges, which extend nearly straight up, similar to the prominence of a rose thorn. These structures contain the photosynthetic organs for the organism, and are also used for thermal regulation. The prominence is comprised of interlocking plates that can be deployed like a 3 petaled flower, and oriented toward light or other high energy particle radiation sources.  Structures for the capture of beta particles (high energy electrons), and high energy photons are present in this organ assemblage, and connect with a convoluted looking organ containing many small sacks of concentrated mineral solutions dissolved in the silicon tetrachloride solvent. These function as a charge differential based electro-chemical battery.  The stored electrical charges are used to power the other cellular activities of the organism with electrochemistry, utilizing organic semiconductor networks to distribute the collected energy potentials.

Each radial section contains 2 eyes, and 3 chemical sensory organs.

The organism has a circulatory network, but lacks a dedicated pulminary organ.  Instead, the electrical energy potentials generated through photovoltaic energy harvest are used with semiconductor nanostructures heavily distributed through the capilliary network to propel the solution (and dissolved minerals) via electrohydrodynamics.  Every portion of the organism's "soft inner body" thus functions as one giant heart, propelling the fluid around in a continuous circulated current.

Ruptures in the tissue result in a runaway reaction with atmospheric water vapor, releasing hydrochloric acid, and rapidly depositing silicon dioxide, which plugs the rupture, until the organism can properly regenerate the damaged tissue.

[chaotick21]

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Tubular dude

[wierd]

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[Madman198237]

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Unset Symmetry (1): NG
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Further Symmetry (2): Weird, Madman

I'm not going to try and describe the symmetry you just explained, so if you would please add that description to this vote, wierd?