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[ltprifti]

whats the best way to clean patients? im thinking of a shower over their bed/traction bench that i operate individually with levers or all at once with one lever for those daily baths  these are floodgates opened by the levers and a pressure plate closes when its 1/7 or maybe 2 or 3/7 for longer ones:
Hospital:
https://imgur.com/xlQM0lC

shower supply:
https://imgur.com/BAcex2V


Drain and well supply:
https://imgur.com/vZTcG3g



the beds will be surrounded by grates to allow drainage

or do i need to make cisterns?

[Leonidas]

If you want to be practical, just build lots of wells and manufacture lots of soap. Dwarves seem to wash pretty well on their own.

If you want to be dwarfy, you're on the right track.

[ltprifti]

the answer is always dwarfy

[Sarmatian123]

Dwarves almost never wash on their own. You make 100 soap bars, then it will last you for 50 years at least if not 100. Rain washes Dwarves constantly on its own. Here is how big hospital looks in my fortress of 288 Dwarves. Maybe too small, but I never had reason to make it larger. I hope it helps with your designs.

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xT__B_B______x
x___B_B_W__W_x
xT__B_B______x
x___B_B______x
xT__B_B_W__W_x
x____________x
xT__BBBBB__SMx
x___________Rx
xT__BBBBB_R_Rx
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H-bags
T-table
B-bed
W-well
R-traction bench
M-mining cart on stop throwing to west on arrival
S-split,crutch and soap stockpile
x-walls
O-entrance doors


[ltprifti]

i went this way in the past and with beds so close one FB with some lethal extract or spores or venom that gets washes contaminates all the beds and gets tracked everywhere.

hence my separate rooms that i can selectively deepclean if needed as well as private rooms, which my patients always love.
 i didnt think of minecarts, honestly in all my time playing df i have yet to venture into carts

[Sarmatian123]

You could remove 4 beds from upper part and 4 beds from lower part and you would get 1 tile separation between beds. The only time I had issues with blood/stain splatter was during operations, so my operating tables are well separated there. Though, I could imagine a Dwarf dying in bed, before receiving treatment, which could throw his items and whatever was on those, all around him. These days Dwarves finally are good at cleaning. Plus I invented a public entrance to caves, which I put, as a separate entrance on surface. It almost always rains there, so not much filth gets tracked back to my mountain-home alike fortress (a huge surface bunker-brick). The only issue is the savage rain depression.

[Uthimienure]

I hope you don't mind, ltprifti, but I didn't want to start a thread after searching for the answer to this question:

Do I need 10 dwarfs in ONE of these "doctor" skills (diagnosis, surgery, bone doc, suturer, wound dresser) to trigger a guildhall request?
   10 diagnosers  or
   10 surgeons  or etc...

(Or will a combination totalling 10 work... this doesn't seem to be working)

[martinuzz]

Most likely 10 total of any of the doctor skills except wound dressing.
That's my guess. Wound dressers don't have their own guild so they probably don't count.
Other guilds have a general guild on top too ('farmer', ' crafter', 'metalsmith' etc) so I don't think the 'doctor' guild is for wound dressers.

Dwarves almost never wash on their own.

They do. Soap just doesn't run out fast because 1 soap bar is good for more than one use.  Don't know how many uses per soap bar (wiki says 10), but apparently enough to let 100 soap bars last 50 years.

[muldrake]

They do. Soap just doesn't run out fast because 1 soap bar is good for more than one use.  Don't know how many uses per soap bar (wiki says 10), but apparently enough to let 100 soap bars last 50 years.

I know in one game I had, for some reason, the well in a temple I had was really, really popular for washing.  Instead of returning the soap to the stockpile they got it from, the dwarves would just throw it on the ground when they were done.  Because of this, the room had a pretty pattern of bars all over it, so I named it the Temple of Soap.

[knutor]

@Sam, missing the point, bebind the minecart, with 1x1tile of track. Where theres a stop and dump. This is for quantum stockpiling, to keep items close at hand to medic? If so, what is the Haul order look like. Thank you. Why not a hollowed column drop, down onto a restricted path'd SP? Dumping cart could thus be moved anywhere above, and space saved.

@Itf, I'd be concerned using floodgates as doors, the delay they have, could cancel patient hauling jobs to beds. Why not just submerse the works, 3/7. Once activity zone is laid down, and bed, channel a pool around tables, beds, traction benches, minecart and quantum pile. fill it with fixed 3/7 by water repeater, put drain outside doors into grandiose dip pool, so each visitor triggers a lil prmature leakage.

The fillerupper grate, should spill over the lower left bed, in the setup. For some reason, its always used.

[Romeofalling]

Like you, I enjoy applying dwarven engineering to the hospital situation.

I use separate 2x2 rooms in my hospital for each patient, with a lockable door for each. Additionally, pairs of adjacent rooms are separated by a floodgate, activated by a lever in the hallway. When off, the floodgates release a mist into the two adjacent rooms.

Drainage level below, plumbing above, with an additional lever room to block various paths in case there's any maintenance needed.

In order to keep the water flowing through the pump stack (and thus cleaning contaminants), I also have an "airlock" between the hospital and the main stairwell, which subjects everyone to a pleasing mist.

Curiously, I have yet to successfully create the pressure plate-based bathtub mentioned above. Feels like every time I work on it, we get attacked by werebeasts.

[Fleeting Frames]

Bathtub-wise, a permadrain one works. Recently set one up with side-to-down flow using 2z heavy aquifer (if you don't have one, you need to connect the exit to map edge with constant waterflow estabilished before sealing off):



But while it cleans the ramps and clothes and gives nice water coating, soapy washing is still necessary since other contaminants will remain on body.


Also, design-wise werebeasts leave doors vulnerable, so using ramp+hatch to exit and enter the individul hospital room is better.

@knutor: Putting the minecart on same z instead of above guarantees no injuries from using the QSP (the hospital shouldn't put the doctor in the hospital). Also, you'd have to use up more space somewhere else with drop.

That said, hospital supplies are used in so little amounts I find regular stockpiles work fine and can give clear view of stocks.

[knutor]

Ive started doing that, too. But, I stll put crutches and splints into chests, supply for other items is 0/0.

[Leonidas]

One trick I've discovered is to keep leftover hair, then spin it into thread. Since it can't be used to make cloth, keeping it around guarantees that your suturer will always have thread to work with.

[muldrake]

Is there any easy way of preventing them from ever using adamantine thread for suturing?  This is really annoying and I currently deal with it just by micromanaging strand extraction and immediately smelting it the instant the task completes.  This can be annoying to babysit, though, because it's a very long task.

I usually manage to get it even before it gets stored in a stockpile (canceling that job if it has started).

I never make adamantine clothing because it is ludicrous to waste adamantine on some sock or whatever that wears out just like normal cloth.