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Author Topic: Untamed Virus Containment Thread:COVID-19: Lurking Omni-Flu Edition  (Read 496888 times)

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Re: Untamed Virus Containment Thread: COVID-19: Super Stay Home Edition
« Reply #2910 on: May 05, 2020, 05:09:33 am »

Tom Cotton is a contender for biggest psychopath in the US government and an absolute warmonger lunatic. Him thinking that only proves that it's probably false.
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« Reply #2911 on: May 05, 2020, 05:14:20 am »

But it's also not true since the early patients weren't lab workers. They were market customers.
"Early patients" doesn't cover mild or asymptomatic cases. Also:
In the earliest case, the patient became ill on 1 December 2019 and had no reported link to the seafood market, the authors report. "No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases," they state. Their data also show that, in total, 13 of the 41 cases had no link to the marketplace. "That’s a big number, 13, with no link," says Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease specialist at Georgetown University.


Tom Cotton is a contender for biggest psychopath in the US government and an absolute warmonger lunatic. Him thinking that only proves that it's probably false.
Ad hominem.
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« Reply #2912 on: May 05, 2020, 05:16:38 am »

In terms of the US jumping the fucking gun on reopening--
https://www.foxnews.com/us/mississippi-reeves-coronavirus-reopening-spike-cases-deaths


You know shit's real when fucking FOX NEWS reports on it like this.

But suurre-- REOPEN!  FOR THE ECONOMY!  Human life is cheap and abundant! We gotta keep those wheels of industry greased! /s

Not just Mississippi either.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/02/coronavirus-live-updates.html (texas)

https://www.kmov.com/news/missouri-sees-spike-in-reported-covid-19-cases-on-day-state-reopens/article_1fbf4efa-8e3f-11ea-aa20-9ffbae671f3c.html (Missouri)

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/04/23/coronavirus-960-floridians-have-died-from-covid-19-as-state-leaders-look-toward-reopening-the-economy/ (Florida)

It's almost like--- THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE MATH OR SOMETHING! /s


In terms of why Corona Virus is a thing---

This is the consequence of a massive buildup of humans, that travel a lot, and that live in very dense packed settings.  Something like this could happen anywhere, really.  It just happened to be China.
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« Reply #2913 on: May 05, 2020, 05:17:55 am »

Not if the hominem has spent his entire political career jerking off to pictures of carpet bombings and trying to generate more.
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« Reply #2914 on: May 05, 2020, 05:24:19 am »

Not if the hominem has spent his entire political career jerking off to pictures of carpet bombings and trying to generate more.
It is by definition if you're ignoring the argument itself.

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« Reply #2915 on: May 05, 2020, 05:24:49 am »

Well, considering that everyone else, including the US intelligence services, disregards Trump's theory, and that Trump refused to provide evidence when pressed, I'm going to go ahead and ignore the bioweapon theory for the time being.

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« Reply #2916 on: May 05, 2020, 05:26:44 am »

Well, considering that everyone else, including the US intelligence services, disregards Trump's theory, and that Trump refused to provide evidence when pressed, I'm going to go ahead and ignore the bioweapon theory for the time being.
As should everyone. Nobody in this thread has claimed that.

Cotton has said the bioweapon question is worth asking. Trump is as clear as mud in what he means by "originating" in a lab.
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« Reply #2917 on: May 05, 2020, 05:29:02 am »

let le epic reasoned dialectic about His Excellency Senator Tom Cotton's expose of the Orient commence
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« Reply #2918 on: May 05, 2020, 05:41:15 am »

...times by 20?
Actually, duodecim is 12. 20 is vīgintī.

Only reason I remember that is because I tried making a Bay12 faction in Shores of Hazeron back when that was a thing, and Google translate told me the Latin name would therefore be Laurea (the other "bay"  :P) Duodecim.

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« Reply #2919 on: May 05, 2020, 06:24:20 am »

He is being guarded 24/7 by the Secret Service nowadays because of death threats from Trump supporters.
I can only imagine the canteen talk between the guys tasked to protect him from Trump supporters and those tasked to drive pay-per-hole golfcarts protect Trump from everything but cholesterol.
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« Reply #2920 on: May 05, 2020, 06:30:39 am »

So, that leaked Five Eyes dossier on the Chinese handling of the coronavirus...

Here's the original article from the Daily Telegraph, who received the leaked document.


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« Reply #2921 on: May 05, 2020, 06:31:32 am »

...times by 20?
Actually, duodecim is 12. 20 is vīgintī.

Only reason I remember that is because I tried making a Bay12 faction in Shores of Hazeron back when that was a thing, and Google translate told me the Latin name would therefore be Laurea (the other "bay"  :P) Duodecim.
Though many people think some guy named Dewey came up with the library catalog format called the "Dewey Decimal System", it was actually a total coincidence because it was really a lesser known library employee obsessed with the number 12 who suggested converting the catalogs over to his "duodecimal system" but nobody was familiar enough with thinking in base12 for it to catch on but the decimal version worked great except it makes the "duo" part confusing so they were like "we can't use duo anymore, so do we really need something before decimal" and their boss was like "that's perfect, you're gonna be famous some day Mr. Dewey" and he was like "but my last name is Harris!"
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« Reply #2922 on: May 05, 2020, 07:28:36 am »

But sure, the outbreak probably started in the Wuhan wetmarket, where they don't even sell bats. Let's keep believing that.
No bats? None at all? That I would find hard to believe. In some corner or other of the hellish menagerie.

But even if not, a common theory is bats>...>pangolins>...>humans, and any of the (inc. missing) links could have occured at caging areas prior to the market. Even the first-in-human case, if that was a trader (or more than one) who passed on more than animals at the market after visiting the back-end wholesale source one prior morning.


Hard to prove. Especially given the early potentially key cases probably had higher mortality because it was before anyone even knew it was special and (coverups or not) needed more treatment than hot chicken soup. Or pangolin, maybe.


On the other side of the speculation spectrum, I've seen (baseless) suggestions that a given CCTV screenshot supposedly depicts a named Wuhan lab doctor stopping off at a train station halfway between her lab and another lace of work to drop off a piece of dry-ice in a bin.  So says the commentary, though I went no further down that particular pangolin-hole. Maybe it's actually the station they say[1], maybe it's the person they say[2], and as for the bin-thing. It's a stupid nefarious plan. Who starts digging into bins (on stations - even if there's homeless in the area they'd probably stay away from the monitored concourse) or deliberately breathing in deep near them? If you were on a train with some infectious agent then do something with it on the train... Casually smear it on the door button with your gloved hand when departing, or chuck a fragment of your time-releasing frozen pathogen into a handy blowing vent as you move along a carriage (normal behavior when you know your stop's station exit is near a different set of train doors from where your entry doors were, shuffle along casually picking your moments to stop by vents you like the look of) or leave things on seats that you know will be touched by the next person sitting there.

Instead of that, conspicuouly alight and reboard?  Not necessarilly going to he flashed up as an immediate code-red to send the SWAT team for, but in a country where CCTV is not just their main broadcaster, and government-sanctioned plots would be far less clunky than this film-script of a contrived situation that's better for being watched by an audience with disbelief levitation skilks than having any practical benefits...


No, on the whole I think a (maybe) bat, in a given day being in amongst thousands of other bats and animals in a scene that is repeated day in/day out for years and years, is not so unlikely a source as some apparently intelligent people trying to work against the government using a stupid method or a supremely controlling government sponsoring something underhand (on its own territory!) and yet failing to prevent key damning footage from surviving and leaking to the world at large.


There's many other intermediate explanations, too. Like starting off trying to create a false-false-flag operation (they have someone set to be the fall-girl, either the woman in the blurry footage or the person they were conveniently impersonating) to 'prove' external meddling on their citizens, then had to fudge things when the results went differently from how they hoped. But even that is more screenplay than actual spycraft, so don't take this as being 'my theory' and doubt heavily any such 'serious' claims that might arise elsewhere onnthis topic. I guarantee you I'm not part of a false-false-false-flag propaganda plot, or[3] my name name's not Jason Bourne...


(Edit: I include the accidental release of Lab-virus to the outside world as an intermediate theory. Though 96% (was it?) genetic match is really not much at all, even at viral lengths. Many bits of a virus need to be very much like the bits of another virus (especially if of a family) to be viable and not highly reconfigured. Given the whole ~60% or so 'match' between human and banana, by the popular meme, and that's across two major clades of life. And if a lab researcher went, along with many others who shop in Wuhan, to the Wet Market and got the first external step infection (of a sample mishandled after isolating from bats, maybe bought in their prior visit?) then it's virtually indistinguishable and unprovable either way.)


[1] 99% of those that would state it as fact wouldn't bother to check it was, and the 1% likely wouldn't say if they found it didn't match. And then if I spent time to check and found it false I'd be ignored, and if true then that just meant the 'source' wasn't lazy and using the first google search item for a station CCTV clip that they thought could be twisted, but found something correctly located that could be twisted.

[2] Given the res, the doubts in [1], above, are even more pronounced.

[3] Normal-Or, not Exclusive-Or.
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« Reply #2923 on: May 05, 2020, 07:47:03 am »

But sure, the outbreak probably started in the Wuhan wetmarket, where they don't even sell bats. Let's keep believing that.
No bats? None at all? That I would find hard to believe. In some corner or other of the hellish menagerie.


TBH that's one of the things I found the oddest about Bumber's post. I mean, who the hell knows what kind of things they sell in that kind of market? I wager even a local wouldn't be able to put his hand in the fire about this matter
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« Reply #2924 on: May 05, 2020, 08:28:21 am »

No bats? None at all? That I would find hard to believe. In some corner or other of the hellish menagerie.
From what I heard (can't find source), the bats live far away from the market and are more of a rich-person delicacy. Wet markets contain fresh goods at affordable prices.

But even if not, a common theory is bats>...>pangolins>...>humans, and any of the (inc. missing) links could have occured at caging areas prior to the market. Even the first-in-human case, if that was a trader (or more than one) who passed on more than animals at the market after visiting the back-end wholesale source one prior morning.
I've heard that, and those remain possibilities.

However, the earliest confirmed case was an individual who got sick on December 1st and had no connection to the market. Due to incubation time, this means that bat/whatever-to-human transmission occurred back in November. The infection cluster tied mostly* to the market was noticed on December 26th. Given incubation time, that's mid-late December. This would indicate that the wet market outbreak may have been due to human-to-human transmission. Animal-to-human transmission occurring a second time is also possible.

Given what we know now about the asymptomatic case rate being as high as 88%, the virus could've been spreading around Wuhan all throughout December, with most of the symptomatic cases being confused with regular pneumonia. Only at the wet market did they get enough symptomatic cases in one place.

*According to this article, 13 of the 41 cases in that cluster had no link to the market.
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