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[doublestrafe]

So the dwarves (and otherwise) of Lensquakes were happily toiling along when one of my most feared catastrophes hit: an inheritance flood. Six new barons inherited positions. I've seen that happen before, and I always thought it meant my civilization was being wiped out by goblins. Fearing for my chances to have the monarch move in, I copied my save and took a look in Legends Viewer.

The civilization looked strong and healthy, but in the last few months of the log things started getting weird. The last entries were a full 50 promotions, including a duke, an outpost liaison, a general, and a minecartload of barons. Just before that, I found an entry that struck me with fear:

In 154, early winter, (11th of Moonstone)  The Clasps of Exiting attacked The Influential Avalanche of The Clasps of Exiting at Theatergroup. Leader of the attack was the dwarf Vabok Fierycrafts, and the defenders were led by the dwarf Alath Yawnblockades during The Sieges of Murdering as part of The Assaulted Conflict.

Uh-oh. The Clasps of Exiting is my civ! Why is it attacking itself? I traced The Assaulted Conflict back to its first entry, and found this:

In 154, late autumn, (4th of Timber)  The Clasps of Exiting attacked The Big Lancers of The Subtle Gloves at Hellshame. Leader of the attack was the dwarf Ingish Bulbchannel, and the defenders were led by the goblin Gashcoz Beguiledscorching during The Sieges of Murdering as part of The Assaulted Conflict.

And there it is. Hellshame is a dark dwarven pits that I conquered and added to my holdings in order to get to Count. It looks to me like my civ decided that goblins are goblins, and attacked it--which started the whole shebang. It hasn't affected my fort, aside from the inheritance flood; fix/loyaltycascade reports that there is no loyalty cascade. And yet, there is most definitely a civil war.

So now my path forward is muddy. Is this a known phenomenon? Can it be resolved, short of the civ wiping itself out? Will I get a hostile outpost liaison? Should I just go back in the autosaves to before it happened? I really want to get my castle built, and these guys are not. helping.

[âbirtobul]

If you keep going I'd like to hear how the conflicts play out.

[PatrikLundell]

It is known, yes, but it's the first time I hear the mother civ attacks a fortress just-conquered site: usually the site gets conquered by the mother civ which a fortress invader party is en route to attack it, and the stupid buggers don't realize that the site has changed hands while they were in transit.

Search the forum for this issue of civil war and you ought to find past account (and it should be on the bug tracker, although I haven't looked).

I think it means you won't get a caravan and that you might get attacked by your own civ.

There is no vanilla DF means to end the conflict, although I believe it's possible to use DFHack to hack civ relationships back to normal (gui/gm-editor or a script you write yourself: I don't think anyone has made a script to correct it).

[doublestrafe]

I dug into the history of Hellshame and it looks like what may have triggered it is that there was a prisoner from my civ there, who attacked? was forced to attack? the dwarves I sent to conquer the place, and was killed. Seems like the sort of thing you implode your own civilization over.

[Urist McVoyager]

Is this free real estate? Could you turn around and start conquering your own civ until you're the undisputed ruler? That might be fun.

[FantasticDorf]

Is this free real estate? Could you turn around and start conquering your own civ until you're the undisputed ruler? That might be fun.

You can't order raids against your own civ unfortunately until Toady finds some way around it or formalizes how its done.

[Urist McVoyager]

Workaround: Hold your ground and just protect what you have. Beat every siege your own people send at you until they're worn down. Wait for their other enemies to finish them. Go to town on the newly conquered areas.