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[Ygdrad]

Everyone was right to worry about Take two...

I hate to be the bearer of horrible news but it looks like  KSP2 will never be what it was meant to be at this rate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJAi5Wu3W08

Enjoy your rocket microtransactions I guess

[Shooer]

For anyone who doesn't want to listen to Jim rant:

The studio developing KSP2 under contract with T2 was in talks to be bought out by T2.

The studio heads were not happy with the deal being offered so withdrew to renegotiate.

T2 removes studio from working on KSP2.  Studio heads tell employees that they can work through this and get a new contract.

T2 then starts offering employment to studio's employees.  At T2s new studio that is working on KSP2.


TLDR:  Studio working for T2 wants to negotiate, so T2 removes them from their own project then rehires them into a new studio they already own, to work on the same project.

[Ozyton]

So much for that.

[forsaken1111]

Contract drama. I'm pretty much used to it. We'll still get KSP in some form, maybe better maybe worse. We'll see what the reviews say after release.

[Glloyd]

Yeah this kind of thing is sadly relatively common in gamedev. The people working on the game right now seem very passionate about it, and the leads are very clearly big fans of the original, so we'll see if that passion can translate to a good game, despite whatever meddling will come from T2. They're a terrible company, but good games have come from under their umbrella, so I'm still cautiously optimistic about KSP2, despite the year(!) long delay. Obviously wait for reviews and whatnot.

[LoSboccacc]

I wasn't optimistic to begin with and it's still early to have a strong opinion either way, but the new look that was circulating on their discord are confirming my suspicious that they're just changing thing for the sake of changing and not in a good or inspired way.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

everything is small, low contrast, with game features taking the center stage compared to simulation features - i.e. the time controls; it has a weird consistency - i.e. the stage panel contains the GO button, and shows a dV, which is more prominent than the dV of the current stage, and it's keyed with the color of the next stage so it suggests to be the dV of the next stage, but something that prominent suggest it's the actual total dv remaining

[mocman]

I like the name of this thread
KSP 2 - "In space no one can hear you boogaloo"

[Culise]

Seems to be a good time for a bump, given that the EA release is just around the corner tomorrow (today already in some timezones).  Of course, it's certainly putting the "early" in early access, just as KSP 1 did.  Science and the tech tree is their planned first patch after initial release and career mode is not yet announced (though there may be something similar in the works), which means that the game on EA sounds like it'll be akin to the very first versions of KSP before 0.22.  It feels a touch premature to me, but that may just be me; those of us who find it incomplete can simply not buy it until it is more feature-complete. 

Those system requirements are definitely a doozy, though.  Besides the lack of science or career modes, if anything stops me from getting it early, this will be what does it.  At least KSP 1 is still grand fun.

[Ygdrad]

I would also add that there are a lot of red flags including a lack of gameplay footage until the short snippets we got in the trailer. Also, no early copies sent to prominent community members to hype things up...

These steam forum threads go over some of it.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/954850/discussions/0/3779119905188329495/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/954850/discussions/0/3779119905187227337/

I would severely temper my hype/expectations on this one. We'll likely get a game with less of everything except bugs and system requirements.

[Nelia Hawk]

i expect early access to be basically:

KSP 1 with better gfx... and no tech tree/science till next big update.
at that point i expect it to be mostly ksp1 in better gfx then with few more parts.

and over the months they add the new features... maybe on a 6 month per feature basis from the roadmap.

or something around that.

[forsaken1111]

They have outright said that the launch version will be a very basic sandbox experience. I'm stoked though, should be fun.

[Madman198237]

They DID give access to influential people, it was just really close to the release date. Here's EverydayAstronaut's video about it. I haven't watched the video yet so I don't know how it looks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX5sa20Nf30

Fast edit:
Here's Scott Manley's review as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWcx8AiV2CM

[Ygdrad]

They DID give access to influential people, it was just really close to the release date. Here's EverydayAstronaut's video about it. I haven't watched the video yet so I don't know how it looks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX5sa20Nf30

Fast edit:
Here's Scott Manley's review as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWcx8AiV2CM

Nice, was getting a bit worried there. Cutting it pretty close to EA launch with both those videos having released 2h ago which has me think there was an embargo that just lifted. Will have a look and see what they say.

Edit: checked Scott's video and it seems they were flown to an event where the game was played and recorded in a controlled environment, on machines set up and provided for them to play and record on. Not sure what the specs of those rigs were, but Scott points out only 3% of steam users meet the "recommended" specs for the game and only around 1/3 of users meeting minimum. Obvious performance red flag here with rigs set up for them with a build that may not actually reflect what we get on launch given the limited access they got to it. I'll remain cautiously pessimistic about this one and wait for EA launch reviews.

Edit2: checking out EverydayAstronaut's video and even on the killer rigs(he says Ryzen 9 7900x, GTX 4080, 32gb ram) they were provided the game ran at only half realtime when he tried to fly a basic-ish mun rocket out of the atmosphere.

Edit3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X2xAfZd7GU shows only hitting about 20fps launching a 151 parts rocket on those rigs. Looks like you may need to ask NASA if you can use their computer to get decent performance.

[Malus]

If the performance is actually as bad as it looks then I'm extremely concerned. They literally had one job, make KSP1 but with physics that don't break with large ships/stations. I'm hoping it's like EverydayAstronaut speculates and there's just some bugs to iron out with some of the systems, otherwise it looks like a straight downgrade. If they have a solid foundation that runs well, everything else can be fixed with mods, but if the game can't even scale to a couple hundred parts then it's just doomed. Render performance would be one thing but if the physics system is fundamentally flawed then what have they even been doing?

[Journier]

geez the performance is garbage, on a maxed out 4080 Graphics card and latest system...

Geez wish they didnt fuck up the development for 7 years?

Maybe they shouldnt have fired development studios and underpay staff.