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[bloop_bleep]

I also think #1 and #2 look the most fitting.

I dunno, are we sure we want doggos to carry green hula hoops around with them constantly? Imagine this in aggregate, like in a dog pen. Won't it be distracting? I'd like something subtle like #4 more.

[Eric Blank]

I like #2 or #4 TBH. Either an obvious ring or subtle shadow.

[Egan_BW]

I think it should be pretty large and obvious, but by default only show for actively hostile creatures in red and your own military and war-animals in green. Anything that's not in those categories doesn't really need to be pointed out to the player as badly, but for new players especially it would be valuable to point out what's dangerous and what you can use to fight it off.

[DeKaFu]

I have a question regarding the various cave creatures and stuff that are original to Dwarf Fortress. I've always been pretty interested in how Toady One and Threetoe actually envisioned them when they were adding the critters to the game, so I've enjoyed tracking down crayon art pictures etc. How much (if any) input is the official tileset going to have from them on how the weird original critters are supposed to look, as opposed to just working off the same one-line descriptions as everyone else?

If there's actually some guidance I'm really looking forward to seeing the "official" interpretations for a lot of them.

[Wokko]

A purple ring/spot/whatever could also be used for highlighting undead instead of a purple outline, because they attack all living creatures and are not just a "regular" enemy faction.

Giving undead purple circle is one of the best ideas here, imo.


I'd like to add on #1 and #2 selectors: the second variant looks like a physical object because of it's blurriness, looks like it has shadows, and thus is part of the world. #1 actually looks like part of UI rather than object.

[Egan_BW]

Maybe night creatures and/or OPPOSED_TO_LIFE creatures in general should have purple circles?

Would Necromancers have the same marking as zombies? Unlike their creations they're not necessarily hostile, but they're certainly still dangerous in a strange non-hostile way.

[Meph]

bloop_bleep: Constantly? It's an optional toggle for people that specifically want to tell things apart at a glance.

I have a question regarding the various cave creatures and stuff that are original to Dwarf Fortress. I've always been pretty interested in how Toady One and Threetoe actually envisioned them when they were adding the critters to the game, so I've enjoyed tracking down crayon art pictures etc. How much (if any) input is the official tileset going to have from them on how the weird original critters are supposed to look, as opposed to just working off the same one-line descriptions as everyone else?

There are two approaches we use. At the ones where Tarn or Zach have a clear preference and vision, which we follow as closely as possible. For example the Bronze colossus isn't the coloss of Rhodes like I thought, but Talos from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_and_the_Argonauts_(1963_film) The Roc is pretty much from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_7th_Voyage_of_Sinbad A lot of pulp influences, which I love. Strangely enough, I've seen both these films.

On the other hand, there are creations that weren't given as much thought, which really only have a name. For example the cavern plants or trees. In those cases Mike or me do what we think might look good. That's after asking Tarn what he wants to do, and he wanted to see what we can come up with.

[MoltenIdol]

Ring 1# is the better ring. Looking tight. Looking like UI.

Green for friendly, red for hostile, yellow for unknown, blue for neutral. Makes the most sense to me. Purple ring for undeads is nice.

IMO, all units on screen should have a halo when toggled, and hopefully have colours for all different allignments.

Itl be a great QoL feature.

[Pillbo]

It would be nice to be able to toggle just hostiles with this. Versus, say, every creature on the map being labeled, or none.

[Cruxador]

I think number one is most appropriate. I feel like the anti-aliasing of 2 makes it look less clean. The little shadow version is likely to be obscured by more a more variable amount depending on sprite size, and I don't like the blurred edges there either. 3 is okay, I just find its nature less immediately obvious since it's not as conventional, and it'll obscure more terrain. However, I think it would be good to make a proper mockup and see if some seeing-impaired folks reckon the band is thick enough. I reckon a 2px width might strike a better balance. It also depends on the degree of contrast between the ring and the ground, but the ground has a wide range of potential colors.

I also think #1 and #2 look the most fitting.

I dunno, are we sure we want doggos to carry green hula hoops around with them constantly? Imagine this in aggregate, like in a dog pen. Won't it be distracting? I'd like something subtle like #4 more.

This is meant to be something you can turn on to make things clear, or turn off otherwise. My intended "default" behavior would be that it's only on while the military menu is up. But it's definitely something that different people would have different preferences for.

[neobit]

It would be nice to be able to toggle just hostiles with this. Versus, say, every creature on the map being labeled, or none.

I agree with this.
Separate toggles: halo for hostiles, halo for friendly, halo for neutral. What about additional toggle with a user filter?

As for the halo itself, I also think #1 should have doggy moved more into the center i.e. ring should go a little down. I personally prefer #4 but most likely it won't be that useful on certain creatures that have more of the body in the bottom e.g. snakes.

[MoltenIdol]

It would be nice to be able to toggle just hostiles with this. Versus, say, every creature on the map being labeled, or none.

Would be neat, + 1

[Zesty]

I lean 4.

How does a screen full of units look? I'm not thinking you're going to need your screen filled with red and green just to tell units apart.

[ror6ax]

Just seen the latest Kitfox email with stockpile UI!
Looks very nice overall, but there's a problem with text alignment - text is sometimes glued to the top of the button widget, not centered inside a popup or not centered inside of extra free space on the bottom of the minimap or stockpile type list widgets. I still think a better font is needed, the more UI emerges, the more out of place the current one looks to me.

[ror6ax]

Amount of acidic green colour is hard on the eyes and clashes with DF aesthetic overall. It's almost looking like a high contrast theme for an operating system UI.



Perhaps a sort of engraved stone panels style with subtle green outline or hue? Like veins of colourful mineral?