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[heydude6]

Seems like I was wrong about Pavellius though.

Can you tell I’m doing this on mobile?

[IcyTea31]

so what exactly were you planning to do to me last night?

Before we get to that, claim your own action: who did you act or try to act upon?

besides, better to fry em for more substantial evidence than just a hunch.

Regardless, I have to ask, hector13,

"Regardless"? Regardless of what? Isn't targeting your primary suspect a natural way to continue from that without a segue?

with the lynch and the town death today, how has your perspective on who's scum and who's town changed if at all? I also have to ask the same for IcyTea if they would be so kind.

Before I answer, I'd like to hear why you put heydude6 highest and then proceed to question them.

Yeah, I got the “You were transported to another location” PM. I’m allowed to recite it word-for-word, right? I heard you weren’t allowed to quote pms, so I hope this doesn’t count.

Quote with punctuation, not with forum formatting, and it should be fine.

[hector13]

so what exactly were you planning to do to me last night?

Before we get to that, claim your own action: who did you act or try to act upon?

besides, better to fry em for more substantial evidence than just a hunch.

Regardless, I have to ask, hector13,

"Regardless"? Regardless of what? Isn't targeting your primary suspect a natural way to continue from that without a segue?

with the lynch and the town death today, how has your perspective on who's scum and who's town changed if at all? I also have to ask the same for IcyTea if they would be so kind.

Before I answer, I'd like to hear why you put heydude6 highest and then proceed to question them.

Why so evasive? You claim your action failed, but you're very insistent on hearing other folks' actions prior to making your own move. Trying to figure out roles, so you can make an educated guess at what you can and can't fakeclaim?

Anyway, to answer piratejoe, I considered a connection between IcyTea and Leodanny during a re-read because of the way the votes ended up at day end, though that link seems tenuous now. Leodanny is confirmed town, unless there's some bastard modding going on, so I'm not sure why you have heydude above him in your list.

If heydude was transported, piratejoe performed the nightkill.

piratejoe (1) - hector13

Not Voting: IcyTea31, piratejoe, heydude6, Leodanny,

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[heydude6]

If heydude was transported, piratejoe performed the nightkill.

Can you explain to me how you got to that conclusion? Usually when I make a claim as bold as that, I layer in a bunch of quotes to support my argument, but I'm not seeing anything like that there. It seems like him putting me higher on the townlist than Leodanny is the only thing you're going on.

[hector13]

I mean it's pretty obvious, but okay.

If you and IcyTea are claiming to have been transported, neither of you performed the night kill. Leodanny transported both of you, a town ability, and you both confirmed that. Leodanny didn't perform the night kill. I didn't perform the nightkill.

That leaves piratejoe.

I appreciate I'm not clear by anybody else's perspective, but I guess that just means I have to figure out which of you and IcyTea is on his team.

[Tomasque]

I've amended three of the role descriptions in the game to include things I had forgotten to say. The Escort and Consort are told if their target was immune, and the Transporter may choose themselves as their second target.

[IcyTea31]

Why so evasive? You claim your action failed, but you're very insistent on hearing other folks' actions prior to making your own move. Trying to figure out roles...?

In this setup with these roles alive and Leodanny confirmed, conflicting claims are inevitable. If I claim now, I'll catch one scum. If others claim first, I'll catch both.

so you can make an educated guess at what you can and can't fakeclaim?

I did the math; this motive would make no sense. There is no wholly implausible claim, but any claim is necessarily countered so nothing is "safe", either.

If you and IcyTea are claiming to have been transported, neither of you performed the night kill.

Only if heydude was originally targeting me. Targeting someone else, he still could have performed it.

[IcyTea31]

Only if heydude was originally targeting me. Targeting someone else, he still could have performed it.

Addendum: so who did you target, heydude6?

[IcyTea31]

Addendum 2:
heydude: when you say who you targeted, don't say what you did.
hector: if you're town, and I'm not, you know which set of roles heydude is in if he's town. I'd like you to ask him for his results after he tells who he targeted.

[heydude6]

If you and IcyTea are claiming to have been transported, neither of you performed the night kill.

Only if heydude was originally targeting me. Targeting someone else, he still could have performed it.

I'm pretty sure I can only get the PM if I target one of the transporters 2 targets. As you can see from my ability to confirm the transportation happened at all, I targeted you. That's why I was so surprised when you asked me your last question, I thought it was obvious. Though I have to say the transporter rules aren't very well written. Even with the edits there's still a typo in it.

[hector13]

Why so evasive? You claim your action failed, but you're very insistent on hearing other folks' actions prior to making your own move. Trying to figure out roles...?

In this setup with these roles alive and Leodanny confirmed, conflicting claims are inevitable. If I claim now, I'll catch one scum. If others claim first, I'll catch both.

Yeah, and you also outed a crucial role for scum to target, and you did some bizarre jiggery-pokery with your vote at the end of D1.

This also conflicts with what you said in the next part; no claim is wholly implausible, yet claims are going to conflict. There are 5 players and 7 potential role claims to make. If claims conflict, scum are being bold.

so you can make an educated guess at what you can and can't fakeclaim?

I did the math; this motive would make no sense. There is no wholly implausible claim, but any claim is necessarily countered so nothing is "safe", either.

False. The more information you have prior to you making your claim, the safer the claim you make will be, as scum. PPE: especially since you allude to that yourself in your "addendum 2" post.

If you and IcyTea are claiming to have been transported, neither of you performed the night kill.

Only if heydude was originally targeting me. Targeting someone else, he still could have performed it.

PPE:

Addendum 2:
heydude: when you say who you targeted, don't say what you did.
hector: if you're town, and I'm not, you know which set of roles heydude is in if he's town. I'd like you to ask him for his results after he tells who he targeted.

I feel heydude will already provide us with that sans my asking, considering you've already mentioned it.

PPE2: never mind.

So, heydude presumably isn't the mafioso, else he'd be dead, presumably. Considering you were both targeting each other, I look forward to your arguments.

[IcyTea31]

I'm pretty sure I can only get the PM if I target one of the transporters 2 targets. As you can see from my ability to confirm the transportation happened at all, I targeted you.

False. You get the message about being transported regardless of your target, and aren't told if your target was transported.

Yeah, and you also outed a crucial role for scum to target,

Good luck targeting a transporter.

and you did some bizarre jiggery-pokery with your vote at the end of D1.

I moved the vote away from Leodanny, who is now confirmed town. Why would I do so if I was scum, considering that Leodanny would, with the knowledge available at the time, have been a very uninformative lynch?

This also conflicts with what you said in the next part; no claim is wholly implausible, yet claims are going to conflict. There are 5 players and 7 potential role claims to make. If claims conflict, scum are being bold.

There are two possible sets of claims: the Sheriff/Investigator/Lookout and the Doctor/Bodyguard/Spy/Vigilante/Escort/Transporter. There are 4 unconfirmed players alive. I know which set I am in, and presumably the townie in the other set knows, thus the two townies will each know one liar if we massclaim now. However, if I play it smart, I'll catch both.

False. The more information you have prior to you making your claim, the safer the claim you make will be, as scum.

Because my night action failed, I must rely on giving scum enough rope to hang themselves with. The more information I have prior to making my claim, the better I can prove my counterclaim false. Which is, admittedly, a strategy for either town or scum.

I feel heydude will already provide us with that sans my asking, considering you've already mentioned it.

Consider the answer, nevertheless: which of the two sets I mentioned he says he must belong to, if he's town?

So, heydude presumably isn't the mafioso, else he'd be dead, presumably

False. A mafioso self-targeting doesn't commit suicide.

[heydude6]

False. A mafioso self-targeting doesn't commit suicide.

I feel like you’re making too many assumptions about how Tomasque runs his games to say something like that so confidently. Same with the stuff you said about transporters. The transporter description lists a bunch of scenarios that can lead to strange interactions, but he never mentions anything about the mafioso. This rule you are claiming isn’t present in the mafioso description either.

It doesn’t matter either way though. If I was a Mafioso targeting you Pavellius wouldn’t be dead.

[IcyTea31]

False. A mafioso self-targeting doesn't commit suicide.

The transporter description lists a bunch of scenarios that can lead to strange interactions, but he never mentions anything about the mafioso. This rule you are claiming isn’t present in the mafioso description either.

Huh, you're correct. I was going by this, but it looks like I misread this line:

If one of your targets is killed, you can be fairly sure your other target is not the culprit, since no killer can attack themselves

I thought this meant they wouldn't kill themselves even if swapped, but apparently this is for targeting themselves before the swap.

If I was a Mafioso targeting you Pavellius wouldn’t be dead.

That's true, but who's to say you're not the mafioso lying about your target? That's why I want hector to consider what you might have attempted to do to me.

The alternative is you saying what I tried to do to you, of course: if you're town, you know it.

[hector13]

I'm pretty sure I can only get the PM if I target one of the transporters 2 targets. As you can see from my ability to confirm the transportation happened at all, I targeted you.

False. You get the message about being transported regardless of your target, and aren't told if your target was transported.

Yeah, and you also outed a crucial role for scum to target,

Good luck targeting a transporter.

Leodanny now has to target himself because he claimed, which might result in him being killed. The overt Transporter has limited utility.

and you did some bizarre jiggery-pokery with your vote at the end of D1.

I moved the vote away from Leodanny, who is now confirmed town. Why would I do so if I was scum, considering that Leodanny would, with the knowledge available at the time, have been a very uninformative lynch?

How much more informative was Tric's lynch?

On the other side of the coin, you tied up the vote when you changed your vote, meaning you didn't have to make the decision on who got lynched.

This also conflicts with what you said in the next part; no claim is wholly implausible, yet claims are going to conflict. There are 5 players and 7 potential role claims to make. If claims conflict, scum are being bold.

There are two possible sets of claims: the Sheriff/Investigator/Lookout and the Doctor/Bodyguard/Spy/Vigilante/Escort/Transporter. There are 4 unconfirmed players alive. I know which set I am in, and presumably the townie in the other set knows, thus the two townies will each know one liar if we massclaim now. However, if I play it smart, I'll catch both.

If you play it smart you'll also figure out what you can best fakeclaim too :p


*sighs*

Okay, I'm willing to see how this plays out between you, for now. I appreciate you have to present what you're doing as masterful town plan, but it's also what scum would be doing at this point.