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[murphieschecker]

after sorting out some mods I decided to make (adding a fourth set of traders designed to be useless in battle and need serious protection to fill out the seasons, and an incredibly violent race to attack early on and consider treason a good idea) I decided to start playing again. Both worlds I created had the miners undergo spontaneous combustion. I had spent some time modding dwarfs to be immune to the effects of heat (to help with the construction and testing of the ultimate death trap/entrance chamber) so the fact that each of my miners has suddenly started releasing smoke and burning, without any sign of anything to start the fire, is rather aggravating. To make it more annoying no other dwarf has been effected, and there is no sign of the superhot material I threw in, not to mention they were still a huge distance away from the magma in the cold biome and the walls were mostly not warm (I caught one of the miners before he started burning properly but was already releasing smoke, and the wall he was digging into was warm but none of the others were). Anyone have any idea just what might be happening?

[Fleeting Frames]

1) I'd move this thread into modding forum.

2) And I'd show them your relevant raws.

3) I'd also check the material of picks, beyond dwarf raws themselves.

4) Or wall material, in light of the problems of traders bringing magma and catching on fire.

Awesome trap, though.

[Adequate Swimmer]

Would make a hell of a syndrome or curse.

[murphieschecker]

the plan for the trap (once it works okay) is for attackers to be sealed in, be covered in magma, then covered in water at which point the entry is opened once more and miners dig out the obsidian. The reason I didn't put this in modding is that I didn't modify the dwarfs temperature and it was only normal materials where they were digging each time (and copper picks, regular clothing etc.), so unless there is some weird interaction like trying to make dwarfs immune to heat resulting in them slowly increasing in temperature until they melt, it doesn't seem likely that the modding is responsible

[murphieschecker]

I seem to have fixed it by fiddling with the raws again, but it still doesn't make sense, particularly with the exceptions...

[murphieschecker]

it worked in arena, but turns out they still burst into flame in an actual world. And now it happens outside. And they take marble stairs with them, it would appear. I have no idea what is going on any more

[Fleeting Frames]

Okay, now I'm curious. How did you attempt to make dwarves immune to heat without modding?

Also, raw duplication glitch can results in all sorts of 'interesting' behaviour. I know I've seen speculation of missing materials becoming magma/rock, at least, which can be caused by as little as typo.

JSYK: Reminder that many changes require world regen to work fully.

[Dozebôm Lolumzalěs]

Murphy esc heckler didn't say that they hadn't modded the game. They said that their modding probably wasn't the cause of the melting.

(Which is wrong, since nobody else sees melting miners, and there's also the duplication errors, but it's a much more reasonable error than "I modded and didn't mod".)

[murphieschecker]

I tried to explain that i went for minimum modding, but I guess that's just Murphies law, no matter how clear I try to make it people will misunderstand. I have made a modding forum topic to cover this now, as I was left with no idea how to sort it out

[Putnam]

Okay, now I'm curious. How did you attempt to make dwarves immune to heat without modding?

Also, raw duplication glitch can results in all sorts of 'interesting' behaviour. I know I've seen speculation of missing materials becoming magma/rock, at least, which can be caused by as little as typo.

JSYK: Reminder that many changes require world regen to work fully.

3. Creature material changes ain't one of those changes.

2. Not speculation; if duplicated raws cause a save's ID to refer to an inorganic that isn't valid, due to the whole "shunting all the objects below" thing, it'll be "rock"/"magma", a generic inorganic to replace it. Duped raws are well-defined and unchaotic behavior, they're just kinda difficult to figure out.