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Quantum stockpiling clothing
« on: April 21, 2018, 10:20:27 pm »

I recently come to a problem about quantum stockpiling clothing.

Dwarfs seem to fill the minecart very slowly. The setting is correct and haulers are numerous. They occasionally put one or two piece into the cart, but for the most of the time they don't. It's not because the clothing is owned. Some of them are, but most aren't.

Other quantum stockpiles work just fine.
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Leonidas

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Re: Quantum stockpiling clothing
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2018, 01:29:29 am »

I don't understand the question. You have a minecart, a QSP, and a regular stockpile. How are they connected?
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2018, 02:12:43 am »

Loading mine carts is a very low priority job, so dorfs generally don't start to load them until they're out of relevant stockpile hauling jobs (such as when the feeder stockpile gets full, at which time it stops generating jobs. Dorfs can then load a couple of items into the cart before the find that the stockpile now has published new jobs).
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2018, 04:29:53 am »

I don't understand the question. You have a minecart, a QSP, and a regular stockpile. How are they connected?

QSP physically consists of a minecart, a track stop, a stockpile, and another stockpile.

Loading mine carts is a very low priority job, so dorfs generally don't start to load them until they're out of relevant stockpile hauling jobs (such as when the feeder stockpile gets full, at which time it stops generating jobs. Dorfs can then load a couple of items into the cart before the find that the stockpile now has published new jobs).

I understand it is low priority, but it is even much lower than other loading minecart job. Other feeder pile usually stay empty, but this pile is always not empty, while dwarfs are singing and dancing in the tavern.
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Re: Quantum stockpiling clothing
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2018, 08:34:03 am »

patrick (and others), you mentioned that mine carts are low on the totem poll of jobs to do; which reminded me of a potentially dumb question ive been meaning to ask... what exactly determines the priority of particular jobs? is there a way to adjust any of it in the raws? (for instance, i never understood why fishing was so high priority..)
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2018, 01:26:52 pm »

There is a small number of jobs that have adjustable priorities, such as digging, cutting trees/gathering plants, and removing (but not building!) walls and similar constructions (and you have a new Now! job modifierS). These jobs all use designations for their specificatioN.
I know of no way to adjust priorities between job categorieS.
Otherwise, jobs seem to be chosen based on proximity, at least to some extenT.

The reason fishing is so high priority is probably because DF doesn't have golF...
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Re: Quantum stockpiling clothing
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2018, 08:23:59 pm »

I suspect fishing gets high priority because the creation of a fishing job does not involve the lists of workshops, stockpiles, or other things. Maybe there is a section of code that says "before we go down each of the workshop/construction/designation/stockpile lists to create jobs, is there any dwarf that wants to go fishing or hunting?"... and if there is a water location or wild animals that they can path to, the job is created and the dwarf is immediately assigned. You just notice it less with hunters.
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Re: Quantum stockpiling clothing
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2018, 02:20:26 am »

Why not just dump the clothes by hand? What does the minecart contribute?
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2018, 03:36:12 am »

Why not just dump the clothes by hand? What does the minecart contribute?
The dump feature is a singular resource. You can have multiple minecart QS', but only a single use for manual dumping acting at a time, or you'd get your masterworks clothing dumped into the magma incinerator and gobbo corpses onto your clothing stockpile rather frequently.
Manual dumping is reserved for prisoner stripping in my fortresses (with occasional brief usages for other purposes, such as dumping FB remains too large to be loaded into minecarts, thus filling up my refuse QS feeder stockpile, dumped into the former sapient corpse compactor for disposal).
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Re: Quantum stockpiling clothing
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2018, 11:23:27 pm »

Why not just dump the clothes by hand? What does the minecart contribute?
Heck, why move them at all? The items made at the clothier's workshop are pretty small, so they can stack up in there for a while before cluttering the workshop.
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2018, 12:03:24 am »

Why not just dump the clothes by hand? What does the minecart contribute?
Heck, why move them at all? The items made at the clothier's workshop are pretty small, so they can stack up in there for a while before cluttering the workshop.
I guess some people like the idea of a maximally automated fort, and they use lots of burrows and minecarts. To each their own. I'm usually trying to get rid of stuff, rather than making more.

I routinely use three types of QSPs: 1) the semi-garbage QSP to pull in random litter and sort it out later, 2) the garbage QSP onto the atom smasher, 3) the stone QSP to clean up the floor and put a pile of stone next to the masons' shops.

Thinking about it, I should probably try using QSPs with gem workshops to force specific stones onto specific items.
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2018, 04:09:52 am »

I wish dwarf only wear one piece for each body part...

The gigantic pile of clothing migrates into the fort alone with dwarfs. Let alone the goblin soldiers. There are thousands of clothing, more than there are seeds. Most of them are owned, worn on dwarfs. They are gradually changed out, when new clothing comes.

I need to get rid of them in a routinely manner. One time mass dump only dump a few that are not owned, which is not many.

I make a new fortress now, and I'll see if I can quantum clothing this time.
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Re: Quantum stockpiling clothing
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2018, 06:40:34 pm »

Why not just dump the clothes by hand? What does the minecart contribute?
Heck, why move them at all? The items made at the clothier's workshop are pretty small, so they can stack up in there for a while before cluttering the workshop.
Dwarves kind of have to remove clothes from the workshop in order to wear them. Can't really put them back after that.
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