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[Mephansteras]

Yeah another reason I haven't gotten into it is I'm not sure my nerves could take it either. Shit Dark Souls PVP was a sweat-soaked controller, rage out affair for me at times. I get startled along with the player just watching Tarkov. Weird how it seems the older I've gotten, the MORE keyed up I get playing games like this. My blood used to be like ice when I was teenager, by comparison.

I've found that after playing for a bit I've mostly gotten used to it. Still get startled by loud shots right near me, but no longer actually nervous most of the time. First few missions were...crazy tense. Now, not an issue most of the time even if it gets hairy. So for me at least it was a matter of getting used to it, apparently.

@Cthulhu: Not sure how it used to be. Now, it's solo or teams for PMC (up to 5 players on a team I think). I don't have a team, so I do solo runs. Be fun to play with people at some point.

Scav runs are different. NPC scavs spawn in along with player scavs, and all NPC scavs are friendly to player scavs unless you turn on them. All scavs are hostile to PMCs.

I'm my own worst enemy sometimes on Scav runs. An NPC scav will run out of nowhere at me and I'll panic and shoot them, thus making all the other scavs hate me. Actually lost a promising scav run earlier today to that, sadly. Doesn't help that you can't visually tell NPC scavs and player scavs apart and player scavs are likely to shoot you.

[JimboM12]

playing tarkov with a team is much less intimidating, usually because more pmcs = more chances of detecting enemies before you run into them. but it also means potentially less loot as you all divvy up the stuff you find. rule of thumb for groups: whoever gets the kill gets first pick on the body for loot. after they say they're done, its fair game and a lot of the down time between action is people bartering loot. "bro you want that backpack?" or "imma grab this guys rig cuz its better then mine but ill leave his mags in his backpack" stuff like that.

there's also callouts which require some map knowledge and it helps if everyone warms up in chat before loading into a raid by introducing themselves to get everyone else used to their voice. keeping track of everyone is one of the challenges of group play, after all. everyone should take mental cliffnotes on who's equipped with what to prevent friendly fire and to also prevent hesitation so you know who you're firing at is not a friendly. definitely helps if everyone sticks together and announces movement outside of a given area. oh and if someone asks or yells comms, it usually means to be quiet cuz they heard something and needs to hear if it happens again and what the noise was to begin with.

id be more then happy to shepherd new players around on the weekends but we seem to not have a df players discord. i don't mean a df discord, we do and im part of it, but i mean a discord for bay12ers to gather and play games and the df discord doesn't have group chats except for the tavern.

[Cthulhu]

It's been a long time so I think I'll start it up again and see how it goes.  How many people spawn into a match?  I remember it not being a true battle royale, like you could find the exit to leave before it was over instead of staying till only one guy is left.

[Mephansteras]

It's been a long time so I think I'll start it up again and see how it goes.  How many people spawn into a match?  I remember it not being a true battle royale, like you could find the exit to leave before it was over instead of staying till only one guy is left.

Depends on the map. PMCs is around 6 on Factory, and I think 10 on Customs? It says on the map picking screen. Plus NPC scavs and player scavs who will spawn in later.

Definitely not a battle royale in that sense. Perfectly legitimate to do loot runs where you actively avoid seeing anyone at all and just loot until you're full and then skedaddle. It even tells you when you spawn in which exits are available to you so you can plan your route.

@JimboM12 that might be fun some time. I've got a personal discord I use for gaming with friends. If some of us Bay12 folks want to do some team Tarkov we could use that for it.

[Cthulhu]

Decided to play as a scav to get the hang of things.  Spent 5 minutes loading plus the 20 minute scav timer, match lasted about 30 seconds, spawned like ten feet from two guys, got one of them and died to the other.  Cool game.

Guess I need to use my SSD, you know if every game nowadays is gonna need an SSD they should make them cheaper.

[Mephansteras]

If you spawned next to them they were *probably* NPC scavs, who would be neutral to you until you fire on them. I like spawning with NPCs, since I can hide and let them draw fire if any PMCs are around.

[Cthulhu]

They weren't literally right next to me, I walked into a building and heard people moving, one walked into the building through the door and I shot him, then another shot me through the window.  Might've been AI and thus neutral, but like when a guy walks right into the building I'm in and sees me, waiting to see if he's neutral isn't really an option.

[Mephansteras]

Yeah, fair.

[Cthulhu]

Starting to get a better feel for things.  Still only seen two definite players and a couple possible ones, but getting a better feel for what NPC scavs look like which will help when I play scav.  Also survived my first round, as my PMC too.  Found a lot of random tech stuff, some plug things and a PSU, grenade fuzes, dunno if any of that has use beyond selling, will look at it and figure it out tomorrow.  Doesn't look to have any use for my current hideout but maybe at higher upgrade levels.

Surviving was pretty harrowing though, did pretty well up until the very end.  Ended up having to jump off a raised platform while people were shooting at me.  At that point, going along with nenjin's worries, my mental fortitude was at its limit for this kind of game, been too long since I've played, will have to work it back up.  Thankfully the shooters were bots, because I just limped to the exit with a broken leg, going on pure "walk to the fucking exit or die walking to the fucking exit" energy and real players could've just followed after I jumped and popped me, I couldn't have fought back.  Had to drop my backpack but only lost some food and water, I'm sure I can sell the PSU for more.

[ThtblovesDF]

Game kinda lost me - there are cheaters, desyncs, people that play 24/7 and got everything - its fun while you loot and get used to it, but after a wipe i just dont have the energy to run to that fucking truck and go for the watch just to be shot or to spend 28 minutes on a map then die in the last 2 minutes by a guy sitting in escape. Honestly I think it would be far better if the market was unlocked for everyone without griding quests early on, its the only fun part you can consistenly make some wins on.

At this point, I'd say EScape from Tarkov is only for people who have there 3-4 friends group that wants to play it with them - all you tend to meet is just that, groups everywhere & people who cheat (single)

[nenjin]

Yeah, if ever a game makes cheating rage inducing, it's something like this.

And also yeah, the exit camping and rat behavior of this game will drive some people away 100%. I know there are multiple evacs available but that doesn't necessarily change things. When you've played 200 hours and want for nothing except the one resource you can't buy or farm: human tears, the game takes on kind of an ugly edge.

Intrigued by the SP mod as a way to avoid all that. Again though, I'll wait until the game hits full release.

[ThtblovesDF]

There is a single player mode I really enjoyed, its called switching to the server that has the least people - but they disabled that, partly - before I could play on like "south korea/Northpole" now its limited - that was honestly quite fun and I look forward to that.

A sad side effect, and this is cursed knowledge, is

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that i now already know speedrunning naked for a few key items makes you more cash in minutes then days of normal gaming

[nenjin]

It was inevitable.

Why play for 20 minutes just to get shot and lose stuff you care about when you can speed run for one good thing, and be in, out or dead in just a few minutes. I don't know what prices are like but if you manage to swipe a graphics card that's like, worth way more than a backpack full of trash.

[Mephansteras]

The solution, of course, is to play for the experience and not for the money. Which is easier said than done, I expect.

[JimboM12]

the game is not for everyone. it has a hard barrier of knowledge and experience that needs to be breached to get to the fun of the game, and the first step is unlocking the flea market at lvl 10.

the most enjoyable way of doing this is in a group with friends or at least people you trust not to troll you. i learned the game the hard way by myself, expecting S.T.A.L.K.E.R. style gameplay but multiplayer and honestly the game's not far off that mark. but it was a struggle.
after a while i actually got a job and made friends there who also played tarkov and they helped me over that small hill to unlock the flea and my experience, both in groups and in solo, expanded. even these days when i know all my basics and a few tricks, i still open up the wiki to read pages on how ballistics work or a chart for ammo penetration values. the games a constant learning experience.

i think the key thing that could help is definitely a starter group. ill create a discord for general bay12 gamers and add a lobby for tarkov sometime, unless someone beats me to it, like...

@JimboM12 that might be fun some time. I've got a personal discord I use for gaming with friends. If some of us Bay12 folks want to do some team Tarkov we could use that for it.

def. id be happy to escort everyone to level 10 by doing the beginner tasks and providing a calm, experienced voice to help you get over tarkov anxiety and answer questions, etc. i can show you a common loot run i do as a scav to help if you want to earn money solo with low risk too.

*edit: oh, i should note i mainly play on the weekends due to my job. i have to wake up early during the week and i know tarkov has its grips on me when i start chasing losses and trying to experiment with gun builds.