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[Chiefwaffles]

There's literally no point to 1 Raven 4 Skyrangers because we only have enough supplies for 3 squads.

[RoseHeart]

A 2 Raven, 2 SR plan is... Overestimating the NOTSOFT improvements(we we're annihilated 1:1) ... Understimating their UFO improvements.

I believe in the NOTSOFT upgrades, but only so far as a 2:3. They may be primarily in the reduced unit cost.

Japan is a poor target. They may take off mid-fight, where that won't be an issue in Brazil.

I am eager to revise my plan, but I do not see the need.

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[Chiefwaffles]

If they flee, that means we're likely winning. Which means we'll secure some alien tech and alien corpses/robot wreckage.

[RoseHeart]

If they flee it is probably automated as they are essentially done with their mission.

Yes, we may get some toys, but we will probably miss out on the UfOs, the real meat and potatoes.

OPERATIONS
Carnaval (2): Cnidaros, Happerry
Rising Storm (1):Blood_librarian
Sledgehammer (1): Madman
Burning Shroud (2): Chiefwaffles, roseheart
Carnival Shroud (0):
Samurai(1):Strongpoint

But I am going to vote for it.

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[Strongpoint]

There's literally no point to 1 Raven 4 Skyrangers because we only have enough supplies for 3 squads.

Let me think... 4th Skyranger can be a decoy, rangers  can carry 1\4th of a unit each, empty ranger may replace one damaged during landing\fight, etc.
It is of minor effectiveness (that is why I prefer plan that Uses all VPs, it is more efficient just because of that) but it can't hurt.

I believe in the NOTSOFT upgrades, but only so far as a 2:3. They may be primarily in the reduced unit cost.

Their second UFO looks like a combat focused design and likely has a reduced crew with at least some of it staying in the combat focused UFO to operate it. I expect a healthy numerical advantage in units with two NOTSOFTER units

If they flee, that means we're likely winning. Which means we'll secure some alien tech and alien corpses/robot wreckage.

If they flee, they'll likely flee with some captured civilians on board giving them more resources. As we already (out of necessity) letting one of their missions to go through, we can't give a partial success on another one.

[Cnidaros]

OPERATIONS
Carnaval (1): Happerry
Rising Storm (1):Blood_librarian
Sledgehammer (1): Madman
Burning Shroud (2): Chiefwaffles, roseheart
Carnival Shroud (0):
Samurai(1):Strongpoint, Cnidaros

On the new information by ebbor I'm changing my vote. Sending just one Raven seems too risky, as if the other UFO (is it currently flying around?) gets off a lucky shot and downs it our Skyrangers will be easy prey.

[Strongpoint]

On the new information by ebbor I'm changing my vote. Sending just one Raven seems too risky, as if the other UFO (is it currently flying around?) gets off a lucky shot and downs it our Skyrangers will be easy prey.

It is a bad gambling here. We are basically betting on a single fighter winning the fight. If it loses its fight, it is unimportant how many Skyrangers we send, 2,3 or 10

If we send two fighters the worst thing that can happen > we lose land battle but still turn both UFOs in wrecks by airforce and prevent them from delivering stuff to their base. No, there are a possibility that they'l be able to shoot both fighters but in that case we can be sure that one would lose, too, so such worst case is irrelevant

The worst thing that can happen if we send one fighter - we get everything shot down and enemy brings everything home. We won't even get a ground combat footage like we did last turn.

[10ebbor10]

Fewer plans and more decisiveness may be neat.

[Strongpoint]

Fewer plans and more decisiveness may be neat.

Well, I think Happery's vote can be count as half for a purpose of a tie breaker. It differs only in the destination and we can be fairly certain that he will switch the vote when he'll be online

[Happerry]

And indeed, I am switching my vote.

OPERATIONS
Carnaval (0):
Rising Storm (1):Blood_librarian
Sledgehammer (1): Madman
Burning Shroud (2): Chiefwaffles, roseheart
Carnival Shroud (0):
Samurai(3):Strongpoint, Cnidaros, Happerry

[Blood_Librarian]

OPERATIONS
Carnaval (0):
Sledgehammer (1): Madman
Burning Shroud (3): Chiefwaffles, roseheart, Blahd Librarios
Carnival Shroud (0):
Samurai(3):Strongpoint, Cnidaros, Happerry

[RoseHeart]

I think we can all compromise and take Strongpoints suggestion to send an extra 4th SkyRanger(empty, or with 3 units dispersed if possible).

"Show Time"

[Down and Capture Bogey 004 and 005]
1 Raven
4 Skyranger
3 NS Squad (dispersed evenly in 4 SR if possible)

OPERATIONS
Carnaval (0):
Sledgehammer (1): Madman
Burning Shroud (3): Chiefwaffles, roseheart, Blahd Librarios
Carnival Shroud (0):
Samurai (3): Strongpoint, Cnidaros, Happerry
Show Time (0):

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[Strongpoint]

I think we can all compromise and take Strongpoints suggestion to send an extra 4th SkyRanger(empty, or with 3 units dispersed if possible.

I think it is not a compromise at all. No, I do think that in that case Burning shroud will be slightly less awful but impact is very marginal and it doesn't make the plan to look more the other disqualifying it as a compromise.

In my opinion Burning Shroud: 
1)Is inefficient way to use available resources (doesn't use all VPs available),
2)Too risky (creates a very real possibility of total defeat with no gains),
3)Improves enemy chances to run away leaving scraps in bodies and drone remains AND getting rewards for partially successful mission
4) Gives us a very small chance of consolation in a form of two burning UFO wrecks should we lose the land battle
5) Gives no advantages other than slightly better chance of winning the land battle (and I am unsure that even this is the case if we account for the cases when Rangers will be shot down)

Hell, I'll prefer to send two interceptors to Brazil and one two Japan (or three interceptors in one direction) and don't try land battle to sending almost unescorted transports

[RoseHeart]

deleted. May aswell use this post for this:

Can the modern grenade rifles Stirk suggested be readily equipped, or would we need to spend a turn asking for them?

They're not in production anywhere, so you don't get them.

Would it take a "design turn" to produce them? Preventing other designs/revisions?

GM see last part please.

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[RoseHeart]

Let's move on. We are playing a game after all.

OPERATIONS
Carnaval (0):
Sledgehammer (1): Madman
Burning Shroud (2): Chiefwaffles, Blahd Librarios
Carnival Shroud (0):
Samurai (4): Strongpoint, Cnidaros, Happerry, roseheart
Show Time (0):

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