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[Kat]

Does only one caste die from old age? Immortals won't marry mortals and vice versa.

Both castes lack a MAXAGE token. Do you think that might be the problem ?

That's the same as elves, isn't it?

Yeah, and the elves almost always survive world-gen, and do pretty well most of the time.

[Kat]

I plugged the drow creature into a copy of an entity file that I was using for my beastmen, and... they not only survive worldgen, but thrive.

So, I'm thinking there must be a problem with the entity definition file for the drow civilisation. 

[Nahere]

How much does their civ value romance and family? It could be that marriage isn't a high priority for them.

[Kat]

How much does their civ value romance and family? It could be that marriage isn't a high priority for them.

Even when I set the civ values for romance and family to +40, they were still not surviving world-generation.   

right now, I've reverted both the creature and the entity definitions to what they were before I started trying to make them work. I've plugged the elfs into the drow's entity definition, and plugged the drows into my beastmen civilisation, because I know elfs work, I know the beastman civ works, so if they've collapsed this time in the world I'm generating now, then I know there's a problem with both the entity definition (if the elves fail in this entity definition), and the creature definition (if the beastman civ fails this time since it worked last time with a different creature definition).


edit: so, the elfs-in-the-drow-entity-definition civilisations have all failed, but the drows-in-the-beastman-entity civs are still successful.

So there must be a problem with the entity definition somewhere.

[TomiTapio]

edit: so, the elfs-in-the-drow-entity-definition civilisations have all failed, but the drows-in-the-beastman-entity civs are still successful.
So there must be a problem with the entity definition somewhere.

I guess [LITTERSIZE:3:7] in creature wouldn't make a difference, then.

Got Site type tolerances set up? [TOLERATES_SITE:CITY]
Are the biomes they prefer very rare, like a specific jungle?
[OUTDOOR_FARMING] ?
And the obligatory    [MAX_STARTING_CIV_NUMBER:2] [MAX_POP_NUMBER:600]   [MAX_SITE_POP_NUMBER:150] ?

[Putnam]

LITTERSIZE was actually removed quite a few versions back, strangely enough.

[Kat]

edit: so, the elfs-in-the-drow-entity-definition civilisations have all failed, but the drows-in-the-beastman-entity civs are still successful.
So there must be a problem with the entity definition somewhere.

I guess [LITTERSIZE:3:7] in creature wouldn't make a difference, then.

Got Site type tolerances set up? [TOLERATES_SITE:CITY]
Are the biomes they prefer very rare, like a specific jungle?
[OUTDOOR_FARMING] ?
And the obligatory    [MAX_STARTING_CIV_NUMBER:2] [MAX_POP_NUMBER:600]   [MAX_SITE_POP_NUMBER:150] ?

Biomes were originally set up, by the original creator (Rhenaya), as:

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[DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE:CAVE_DETAILED]
[LIKES_SITE:DARK_FORTRESS]
[LIKES_SITE:CAVE]
[TOLERATES_SITE:CAVE]
[TOLERATES_SITE:DARK_FORTRESS]
[TOLERATES_SITE:CAVE_DETAILED]
[START_BIOME:MOUNTAIN]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:SUBTERRANEAN_CHASM:2]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:SUBTERRANEAN_WATER:2]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:SUBTERRANEAN_LAVA:1]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:MOUNTAIN:3]
They have indoor farming rather than outdoor farming.

And they have this:

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[MAX_STARTING_CIV_NUMBER:100]
[MAX_POP_NUMBER:10000]
[MAX_SITE_POP_NUMBER:150]
But that's similar to what the default entities have these days.

So any suggestions as to what to try next ?

[Kat]

Hmmm.

replaced their biome setup with the one from the dwarves.

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[DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE:CAVE_DETAILED]
[LIKES_SITE:CAVE_DETAILED]
[TOLERATES_SITE:CITY]
[TOLERATES_SITE:CAVE_DETAILED]
[EXCLUSIVE_START_BIOME:MOUNTAIN]
[SETTLEMENT_BIOME:ANY_FOREST]
[SETTLEMENT_BIOME:MOUNTAIN]
[SETTLEMENT_BIOME:ANY_GRASSLAND]
[SETTLEMENT_BIOME:ANY_SAVANNA]
[SETTLEMENT_BIOME:ANY_SHRUBLAND]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_FOREST:1]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:MOUNTAIN:3]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_GRASSLAND:1]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_SAVANNA:1]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_SHRUBLAND:1]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_RIVER:1]And... it works. They've survived worldgen in large numbers. I guess that was it. Hooray.

[TomiTapio]

I guess dark fortresses aren't very fleshed out currently. What do they look like in adventure mode?
And using the underground biomes probably doesn't cause civ to make towns & cities?

[tyrannus007]

What happens if I remove the [BENIGN] trait from dwarves, or other civilized races? Also, what'll happen if I add [LARGE_PREDATOR] to them?

[ZM5]

I know that if you add LARGE_PREDATOR to a civilized race you may get a kill quest in adv mode targeting nobles, i.e mayors, saying that they are an "evil that lurks within".

[scourge728]

I know that if you add LARGE_PREDATOR to a civilized race you may get a kill quest in adv mode targeting nobles, i.e mayors, saying that they are an "evil that lurks within".

sounds about right

[Kat]

I guess dark fortresses aren't very fleshed out currently. What do they look like in adventure mode?
And using the underground biomes probably doesn't cause civ to make towns & cities?

I don't know, never played adventure mode myself. And yeah, they didn't make towns and cities, which probably wouldn't help the situation of them dying out in worldgen.

Still, it seems to work now, which is great. Allows me to try out some other mod ideas and things.

[FantasticDorf]

I guess dark fortresses aren't very fleshed out currently. What do they look like in adventure mode?
And using the underground biomes probably doesn't cause civ to make towns & cities?

They stretch out a fair bit, aboveground there's weapon storages, statues & the leader's throne room, for the first few floors below that there's dungeons and deeper below there's the actual minute living quarters and pits where trolls & goblins gather, at the very bottom is a suprise.

Id recommend exploring a abandoned tower rather than one laggily inhabited, but most people re-roll when the goblin civilisation gets prematurely wiped out by marauding monsters.

[MachinaMandala]

Is there a guide to sub-arguments for the new [ANIMAL] tag for entities?