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[FallacyofUrist]

In order to run the upcoming game Fists Race, I need to test the combat system. That's where you come in. I'll take 8 people and then throw them at each other in tournament format.

Here's how things are going to go.

Spoiler: Da Rules (click to show/hide)

The game's going to work on a d10 system.

When an attack is made, the attacker rolls d10 and the defender rolls d10.

The attacker gains an accuracy bonus equal to half their Dexterity rounded down.

Credit to OceanSoul for improved table.
(Roll is number on die, Value is roll +/- modifiers)
-Standard Outcomes
Attacker > Defender: Hit.
Attacker < Defender: Miss.
Attacker = Defender: Miss.
-Critical Outcomes
Attacker Value > Defender Value + 5, or Attacker Roll= 10: Critical Attack.
Attacker Value+ 5 < Defender Value, or Defender Roll= 10: Critical Defense (can be further classified as Critical Block or Dodge).
Critical Attack & Critical Defense: Critical Showdown.
Attacker Roll= 10, Defender Roll= 1: Uber Critical Hit.
Attacker Roll= 1, Defender Roll= 10: Uber Critical Miss.
Both Rolls=1, or Roll of 1 is Critical Success: Mutual Critical Failure.

Note that only natural ones and tens actually count as ones and tens for these purposes.

What happens next depends on whether the defender chose to Dodge or Block.

Dodging adds a bonus to the defender's dodge roll equal to their Dexterity, but Blocking adds a bonus equal to the defender's damage resist roll up to their Strength. Each bonus point Blocking grants takes one point from Stamina. The defender may choose how much to block.

In the event that the defender chooses not to Dodge or Block, they All-Out Attack, giving them +2 to all their offensive rolls that turn, or in the event that they don't attack but only Dodge or Block, they All-Out Defend, giving them +2 to dodge(Dodge) or +2 to resist(Block).

The attacker rolls d10 and the defender rolls d10.

The attacker gains a damage boost equal to their Strength.

In the event of a Critical Hit, the attacker gains a bonus to their damage roll equal to how much their attack roll was higher than the defender's roll + 5. In the event of a critical miss, the Defender gets to counterattack with a bonus to their accuracy roll equal to how much their defense roll was higher than the attacker's roll + 5. In the event of an Uber Critical Hit, the damage rolls are simply set to 10(the attacker) and 1(the defender) and all defender bonuses are ignored. In the event of an Uber Critical Miss, the defender's counterattack automatically hits and the attacker's resistance roll bonuses are ignored.

In the event of a Mutual Critical failure, something hilarious happens but no damage really occurs. In the event of a Critical Showdown, something epic happens but no damage really occurs.

Once all's said and done, damage must be applied. The players each have two damageable stats: Ki and Stamina. When a player takes damage, Stamina loses points equal to the attacker's damage roll minus the damaged player's resistance roll. If the attacker's damage roll is greater than the resistance roll + 5, the difference between the attacker's damage roll and the defender's resistance roll + 5 is removed from the defender's Ki.
When a player loses all Stamina, they become Exhausted, supplying a -2 penalty to all their rolls, and whenever they would lose a point from Stamina, it comes out of Ki instead. When a player loses all Ki, they lose the fight.

Each player starts with 20 Stamina + 5 Stamina per point in Strength, and 20 Ki.

Where this gets complicated is in Techniques. A Technique is some kind of special move that has a Ki and Stamina cost. You design your own Techniques, Arms Race style. Before each round, each player sends a PM detailing a Design, and after they get the results of that, they may send in a Revision or forfeit the Revision in exchange for Training, increasing Strength or Dexterity by one point. Players cannot do Training until the second round.

Designs are used to generate new Techniques or significantly improve on old ones. A Design is made of 2 rolls: Expense(how much stamina and Ki it costs, along with possible other costs) and Effectiveness(how close it is to what you want, and how useful it is). A Revision is made of 1 roll, and fixes some flaw in a previous design or improves it in some small manner. Increases in complexity and distance from your current knowledge will be met with penalties, but current knowledge will not be an issue in your first design. Be sure to choose a good concept to build off of.

To join, just read the rules(or skim them) and post IN with your stat distribution. You get 4 points, each point translating to +1 in a stat(Strength or Dexterity).

I am completely open to suggestions.

[Wolfhunter107]

IN.

2 Strength
2 Dexterity

[OceanSoul]

I'd be willing to help test this system. It doesn't seem to account for ranged attacks, attacks where the defender has no chance to block or dodge (such as surprise attacks), or simultaneous or temporally close attacks (pretty much two on one conflicts). The last one there isn't avoided by having one-on-one fights, as delayed ranged attacks and physical situations (such as from midair, hitting an enemy down as he collides with the ground) can still synchronize attacks. For ranged attacks, I say that ranged attacks are weaker in some regards, while their main benefit is avoiding counterattacks from failed attacks (your opponent is at a distance, and they can't reach you (unless they designed some sort of rubber-rubber fruit)). For the lack of block or dodge, I'd say that they automatically have some small limit to their roll based on their condition; healthy, sorta armored enemies could be forced to 5 max, while the especially prone are auto-1. On the topic of my example, reaction time may play a role in unforeseen attacks, and could be part of the roll limit; essentially, if they are not prepared for the attack well enough beforehand, they get the roll limit. This could add a mental layer to strategizing and design. Anyway, third point, sorta covered by the second solution. The defender would have to split their focus/effort(/preparedness) between the attacks, whether they could choose how it's split or not. With enough reflexes, it could be logical for a defender to be able to block each of two attacks with their full force..provided they block the first one well enough.

But you want playtesters, don't you? 3 strength, 1 Dexterity.

[ATHATH]

IN!

Reading OP...

[ATHATH]

Stats: 4 DEX

"In the event of a Critical Hit, the attacker gains a bonus to their damage roll equal to how much their attack roll was higher than the defender's roll + 5."
What if the attacker rolls a 10 (thus getting a critical hit) and the defender rolls, say, a 7? Does the attacker get a -2 penalty to his damage roll?

[OceanSoul]

Stats: 4 DEX

"In the event of a Critical Hit, the attacker gains a bonus to their damage roll equal to how much their attack roll was higher than the defender's roll + 5."
What if the attacker rolls a 10 (thus getting a critical hit) and the defender rolls, say, a 7? Does the attacker get a -2 penalty to his damage roll?

The equation is more like "(Bonus Damage)=(Attacker Roll - Defender Roll) + 5". You seem to be seeing it more like "Attacker Roll - (Defender Roll + 5)", which actually subtracts the 5 from damage rather than adding it. However, if the attacker rolled a 10, the defender rolled a 9, the defender had a bonus of 7 to their roll, and the attacker had none, the technical bonus damage would be -1, though the 10 in this case allowed the attacker to be successful, allowing the damage rather than adding to it. Looking closer, this case is both a critical hit (by Attacker Roll = 10) and critical miss (by Defender Roll +5 < Attacker Roll). I would rule this as a Critical Showdown, since both sides crit in a way.

FoU, I would redefine the roll classifications as such:

(Roll is number on die, Value is roll +/- modifiers)
-Standard Outcomes
Attacker > Defender: Hit.
Attacker < Defender: Miss.
Attacker = Defender: Miss.
-Critical Outcomes
Attacker Value > Defender Value + 5, or Attacker Roll= 10: Critical Attack.
Attacker Value+ 5 < Defender Value, or Defender Roll= 10: Critical Defense (can be further classified as Critical Block or Dodge).
Critical Attack & Critical Defense: Critical Showdown.
Attacker Roll= 10, Defender Roll= 1: Uber Critical Hit.
Attacker Roll= 1, Defender Roll= 10: Uber Critical Miss.
Both Rolls=1, or Roll of 1 is Critical Success: Mutual Critical Failure.

This specifies where the modifiers have effect, and the Showdown/Mutual Failure outcomes now cover other forms of double critical success/fail. Then again, it is sorta more confusing, so your version is more in line to teaching the mechanics.

Also, I just realized; What happens if two "Mighty Fists", for lack of a particular name, attack each other, neither blocking? Does the one with more power or such dominate the conflict, carrying the rolls into hit and damage calculation as the attacker?

[RAM]

IN
Scyther:
Att:
 0 Strength
 4 Dexterity
Mov:
Double Team
Swords Dance
Quick Attack
Fury Cutter
Spe:
 Swords for hands.

[Madman198237]

You need an idiot to test this.

Someone who has very little practical knowledge about what unarmed combat looks like.

Someone who is typing this out late at night, and who is, after reading through the rules twice today, unsure about the extent of his comprehension of them.

Someone who can find every single flaw in your design by accident, flail like an idiot and maybe even win by accident.

Someone capable of asking every question you didn't expect to hear, and forcing you to answer, forcing you to discover things about your game you wish you didn't have to figure out.

Someone so incessantly bad that the system can't help but get better just to make that person fail.



When do you want the first design?

Strength: 1
Dexterity: 3

[OceanSoul]

Well, right now he wants to test the combat system. This doesn't directly involve the designs and edits, but having a few of the starting Techniques to choose from could help out.

[crazyabe]

Interested.

4 Str
0 Dex

[FallacyofUrist]

Just need two(if I counted right) players more.

Responses to questions will have to wait for a bit.

[FallacyofUrist]

I'd be willing to help test this system.
It doesn't seem to account for ranged attacks,
attacks where the defender has no chance to block or dodge (such as surprise attacks),
or simultaneous or temporally close attacks (pretty much two on one conflicts).

Hm. Ranged attacks would act like normal, except depending on the attack, dodging or blocking or both wouldn't be an option, and counterattacking wouldn't be an option unless the attacked player had a cheap ranged ability.
Surprise attacks would require a stealth roll from the attacker and a perception roll from the defender. If the attacker wins, the defender cannot Dodge or Block, furthermore, they should get some sort of dodging penalty.
If attacked twice at once, the attacked only gets one roll to dodge and one roll to block.
All subject to change.

(Roll is number on die, Value is roll +/- modifiers)
-Standard Outcomes
Attacker > Defender: Hit.
Attacker < Defender: Miss.
Attacker = Defender: Miss.
-Critical Outcomes
Attacker Value > Defender Value + 5, or Attacker Roll= 10: Critical Attack.
Attacker Value+ 5 < Defender Value, or Defender Roll= 10: Critical Defense (can be further classified as Critical Block or Dodge).
Critical Attack & Critical Defense: Critical Showdown.
Attacker Roll= 10, Defender Roll= 1: Uber Critical Hit.
Attacker Roll= 1, Defender Roll= 10: Uber Critical Miss.
Both Rolls=1, or Roll of 1 is Critical Success: Mutual Critical Failure.

I like your version better. Editing.

[OceanSoul]

One more question that you seem to have missed.

Also, I just realized; What happens if two "Mighty Fists", for lack of a particular name, attack each other, neither blocking? Does the one with more power or such dominate the conflict, carrying the rolls into hit and damage calculation as the attacker?

[FallacyofUrist]

If they attack each other at the exact same time, neither bothering to dodge or block, not even lowercase dodging or blocking as opposed to Dodging or Blocking?

Yeah, in the extremely unlikely event that that happens, dodging isn't rolled, and instead a pure damage occurs, with whoever has the higher roll inflicting the damage.

[Dustan Hache]

in.
3 dex, 1 str.