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[Kashyyk]

@RulerOfNothing: Literal scrying/divination style stuff would be within the Order school. Flying scouts would be the Air School. Flying scouts would be easier (same sort of level as blights or zombies), but risk getting murdered by garrisons. Divination would require specialist counter magic to defeat it, so would be a tier or so higher.

Also, as I've been asked a couple of times now:
Trading with the Empire is generally difficult to achieve, and will not give you 10% of their income plus their resources (because that would be OP). Instead you will receive 10% of your income in trade.

[Criptfeind]

Right. So they want me to pay a pretty large lump some for the privilege of reducing my income by 5%. I suppose that's not an absurd request given the disparity of power levels.

Edit: Also to point out that diplomats sorta act as scouts right now, depending on what you want them for. If you wanta scout on neutrals they can even pay for themselves.

[Tiruin]

Before I respond via PM (I'm deciding between foremost and lattermost, sans the rejection)...

Spoiler: To Kashyyk as a response (click to show/hide)

Does that mean they also cancel Imperial Tax? :3

Also if I pick the lattermost...do I have to pay their minor garrison upkeep? :V This also goes for formermost choice.

When you mean subsizide military training, that means 10% off of my everythingmilitary, including research and heroes/upgrades?
Or military buildings?

And can I order their military in the lattermost?

In the formermost, that means I can effectively order their troops around, even attack neutrals with them?

Because otherwise, I would be really moving for rejection given the lack of support >_> I'd rather just trade with them, and that's all. But eurgh.

[Kashyyk]

Spoiler: Tiruin (click to show/hide)

Does that mean they also cancel Imperial Tax? :3

Tax is unchanged from current in all cases.

Also if I pick the lattermost...do I have to pay their minor garrison upkeep? :V This also goes for formermost choice.

Nope, they'll pay for their own soldiers

When you mean subsizide military training, that means 10% off of my everythingmilitary, including research and heroes/upgrades?
Or military buildings?

Military units, heroes and combat related hero promotions.

And can I order their military in the lattermost?

No.

In the formermost, that means I can effectively order their troops around, even attack neutrals with them?

They'd need incentive, but yes. Telling them to go attack somewhere for no benefit to themselves won't work though. By "them" I refer to the unit themselves, rather than the Empire. Feel free to bribe them. Same for the third, but they'll be less inclined because they won't be told to pay attention to you.

[Tiruin]

Spoiler: Tiruin (click to show/hide)

Does that mean they also cancel Imperial Tax? :3

Tax is unchanged from current in all cases.

Also if I pick the lattermost...do I have to pay their minor garrison upkeep? :V This also goes for formermost choice.

Nope, they'll pay for their own soldiers

When you mean subsizide military training, that means 10% off of my everythingmilitary, including research and heroes/upgrades?
Or military buildings?

Military units, heroes and combat related hero promotions.

And can I order their military in the lattermost?

No.

In the formermost, that means I can effectively order their troops around, even attack neutrals with them?

They'd need incentive, but yes. Telling them to go attack somewhere for no benefit to themselves won't work though. By "them" I refer to the unit themselves, rather than the Empire. Feel free to bribe them. Same for the third, but they'll be less inclined because they won't be told to pay attention to you.

Spoiler: Kashyyk (click to show/hide)

> If I pick Op 1, the 'more likely' means 'I can totally send them to attack neutral territories and it will be totally okay since it makes sense' alongside 'I can send them to attack event monsters and they'll do it because that makes sense'?

> If I pick Op 1, do I pay for their upkeep .-.;
> Can I attach a Hero to them?

I'm REALLY leaning on Option 1 if it means I can do the things mentioned above.

[Iituem]

I'll post responses later today, been a busy few days and needed to think about my actions.

[Kashyyk]

Spoiler: Kashyyk (click to show/hide)

> If I pick Op 1, the 'more likely' means 'I can totally send them to attack neutral territories and it will be totally okay since it makes sense' alongside 'I can send them to attack event monsters and they'll do it because that makes sense'?

> If I pick Op 1, do I pay for their upkeep .-.;
> Can I attach a Hero to them?

I'm REALLY leaning on Option 1 if it means I can do the things mentioned above.

Spoiler: Tiruin (click to show/hide)

Unless given incentive, those  imperials will just sit around burning through their imperial pay cheques. However, you could pay them to do stuff for you on occasion, such as to go take a neutral (or player) territory for you,  or attack trade.  This can be done by paying them a one shot amount to do stuff as mercenaries.  In that situation, yes you could attach a hero to turn. Because they are all still Imperial troops there may be issues if they all die, but anything they do would be harder to trace back to you. 

[Tiruin]

Spoiler: Kashyyk (click to show/hide)

> If I pick Op 1, the 'more likely' means 'I can totally send them to attack neutral territories and it will be totally okay since it makes sense' alongside 'I can send them to attack event monsters and they'll do it because that makes sense'?

> If I pick Op 1, do I pay for their upkeep .-.;
> Can I attach a Hero to them?

I'm REALLY leaning on Option 1 if it means I can do the things mentioned above.

Spoiler: Tiruin (click to show/hide)

Unless given incentive, those  imperials will just sit around burning through their imperial pay cheques. However, you could pay them to do stuff for you on occasion, such as to go take a neutral (or player) territory for you,  or attack trade.  This can be done by paying them a one shot amount to do stuff as mercenaries.  In that situation, yes you could attach a hero to turn. Because they are all still Imperial troops there may be issues if they all die, but anything they do would be harder to trace back to you. 

Spoiler: Kashyyk (click to show/hide)

Can I know generally how much per unit or something? Because Option 3 has the same idea but with 'less motivation' and I"m betting that means 'spending more'.
Because I will use them, as a very OOC note between us, to attack neutrals/monsters. :3

About the tracing, that's only for option 1 right?
...Does the espionage tech or MORE money help make the traces into 'not really the Alliance's fault'? :3
May I know a baseline for these ideas in terms of money?

[Kashyyk]

Spoiler: Kashyyk (click to show/hide)

Can I know generally how much per unit or something? Because Option 3 has the same idea but with 'less motivation' and I"m betting that means 'spending more'.
Because I will use them, as a very OOC note between us, to attack neutrals/monsters. :3

About the tracing, that's only for option 1 right?
...Does the espionage tech or MORE money help make the traces into 'not really the Alliance's fault'? :3
May I know a baseline for these ideas in terms of money?

Spoiler: Kashyyk (click to show/hide)

 For option 1 it'll be the base upkeep per unit. For option 3 it'll be double their upkeep. Tracing it is the same between the two. People will only have a chance to find out if they use the espionage tech, so you'll only have to start worrying about that then. I'm going to withhold actual upkeep values for now though, as there is no way you'd know that IC.

[Nirur Torir]

Wow, roll over at the first opportunity and The Empire is actually sorta nice. I'm leaning towards the faster growth/lower ceiling option. More trade money for all, but I'll expect my trade to be re-invested into your incomes.

Spoiler: To Kashyyk (click to show/hide)

It seems to me that accepting a capital garrison will be seen as a sign of loyalty - They'll expect less/give easier orders, but will be less accepting of failure. Correct?

Will there be any special penalties for upsetting them while they're garrisoning my capital, like killing my leader and throwing my realm into chaos, or just them taking it?

The investment - Is that fixed at "Invest 50 into Pollock S. Empire invests 10 into Pollock S," or can I split my investment into multiple territories and/or have them invest into another?

Would I be able to request that the second garrison be re-positioned elsewhere later?

[Kashyyk]

Spoiler: To Kashyyk (click to show/hide)

It seems to me that accepting a capital garrison will be seen as a sign of loyalty - They'll expect less/give easier orders, but will be less accepting of failure. Correct?

Will there be any special penalties for upsetting them while they're garrisoning my capital, like killing my leader and throwing my realm into chaos, or just them taking it?

The investment - Is that fixed at "Invest 50 into Pollock S. Empire invests 10 into Pollock S," or can I split my investment into multiple territories and/or have them invest into another?

Would I be able to request that the second garrison be re-positioned elsewhere later?

Spoiler: Nirur Torir (click to show/hide)

Regarding a capital garrison, I'll let you work out what upsetting then might entail.

The investment is your first example. For every £50 block invested in a particular territory, the empire will add another £10.

Yes, you could ask for that other garrison to move. 

[Iituem]

Princess Gruntsnuffle bowed her head solemnly.  Countess Mangalica's body lay in state atop a stone bier, the day of viewing after her funeral almost done.  Soon she would be committed to the earth.  Fine cotton grave-clothes covered her mutilated body, and a gilded death-mask gave her the lie of life.  Already the bards had begun to sing tales of her bravery in battle, bringing down the inventively named Sorcerer Caulder of Caulder, capital city of Cauldron.  The tale would record how she duelled him, one on one, fighting against his illusions, only to die from a cruel poisoned dagger thrust as she brought him low.

The truth, of course, was duller and sadder.  Mangalica had died by mace strike, the same as the vast majority of her forces; her own personal guard had turned on her through the sorcerer's illusions, thinking her a demonic beast.  She had, to her credit, killed most of them before her wounds brought her down, but that made for a poor story.  The one redeeming feature was that the sorcerer had kept notes, which her wise-pigs had already begun to deconstruct.

The door to the chamber opened behind her, and Princess Gruntsnuffle turned to see the Imperial Assessor arrived, flanked by a team of accountants and her own guards.

Spoiler: To the Imperial Census Taker (click to show/hide)

Meanwhile, you receive another envoy from the Empire. He greets you stiffly, before reciting:
“Three years ago, the Empire sent a delegation to your people. As promised, I am the tax auditor for the Governor of the West March. My associates have already performed a brief inspection of your holdings, and have calculated that you owe approximately £224 in tax. My assistant holds a number of treatise detailing our calculations, which I'm sure will be more than sufficient. I have here the agreement for the calculated tax, all you need do is sign on the dotted line. Please be aware that I have been authorised to recover this amount by any means I deem necessary. I trust it will not come to that.”

Princess Gruntsnuffle turns from the decorated body of Countess Mangalica to address the Assessor.

"Thank you for your time, Assessor.  While these calculations do seem impressive, you mention you did a 'brief' inspection of our holdings?  That won't do at all.  We here in the Principality of Pork insist upon bureaucratic accuracy; without a full census, how can you know that you have a truly accurate assessment?  It may take several months, but I insist that you allow us to guide you and your sub-assessors on a full tour of the Principality and conduct a complete census, valid for the next ten years, allowing us to set the tax rate with accuracy and fidelity.  We are happy to pay £300 this half-year to conduct this; £200 for the tax and £100 to pay your men for the extra work required, as well as the provision of all necessary stationary, transportation and accountancy aids.  We would be happy to pay for the costs for this, in say, one year's time?"

Offer to pay slightly more this half-year (£300) to help conduct a 'full census' of the Principality with the stated aim of setting the tax rate for the next ten years.  [Carried out in Actions in the main thread:] Use the Illusory Wards we are setting up in all of our provinces to conceal our new constructions (as a series of unpleasant and disgusting hovels and cesspits) and to help make our lands look less productive and prosperous than they are - give the impression that the Principality is a backwards hole and should be taxed with that expectation in mind.

Request a full Census in 1 year, offering to pay for it, in order to stabilise the tax rate properly.  Offer the normal tax for 1 year only, pursuant to the census and review.

Spoiler: To the Kingdom of Yorturim (click to show/hide)

Esteemed King of the Yorturim,

Our traders have heard of one another through the complex network of our partners.  Provided that you are not one of those that trades in Swine (or is willing to ensure our lesser cousins' bodies do not cross our borders), might you be interested in a trade treaty?

Respectfully yours,

Princess Gruntsnuffle of the House of Suidae
Principality of Pork

Edited:  Some of my moves were illegal.

[Kashyyk]

Spoiler: Imperial Response to the Principality of Pork (click to show/hide)

A census would be an excellent way to appraise the holdings of you and your tenants.
 But why must we wait until next year? What is preventing us from performing the census now?

[Nirur Torir]

Well. I'm getting an imperial "garrison" in my capital. I just know that this is going to come back to haunt me later.

[Criptfeind]

Spoiler: A question for the imperial envoy (click to show/hide)

How long would it take for the Imperial garrison in the Republic capitol to arrive and start protecting our lands?