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[MetalSlimeHunt]

Obviously neo-Marxist glory only occurs once there's been another election.

[Leafsnail]

Realistically if/when the Tory government falls there'll be another election, because there's no way Corbyn can form a government either in the current parliament. That election isn't looking good for the Conservatives right now.

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/873674408224862210

James Callaghan in the 70s I think it was. Minority Labour government propped up by N. Irish votes, funnily enough. Resigned before a vote of no confidence, after refusing to fund a gas pipeline in N. Ireland.

Lead to Mrs. Thatcher.

John Major led a minority government (supported by Irish unionists) towards the end of his administration due to losing so many MPs. That led to Blair.

[Sheb]

I think it'd be tripe to change the Tory leadership. May may have taken a beating, but she still has an (extremely weak) mandate. Getting someone else to be PM now on that slim majority would be a joke.

[Loud Whispers]

May sacks her two advisers who thought austerity, regulation of the internet and the strategy of not campaigning was a good idea
Tbh Machiavelli says a ruler is at fault for appointing bad advisers. Big red flag when they ignored cabinet ministers right there

[Neonivek]

May sacks her two advisers who thought austerity, regulation of the internet and the strategy of not campaigning was a good idea
Tbh Machiavelli says a ruler is at fault for appointing bad advisers. Big red flag when they ignored cabinet ministers right there

Soooo... are those Advisors the ones who put that in May's head... Or is she firing them so people don't think those ideas were hers?

If there is one thing I don't like about politics it is scapegoating and plausible deniability.

[Loud Whispers]

Soooo... are those Advisors the ones who put that in May's head... Or is she firing them so people don't think those ideas were hers?

If there is one thing I don't like about politics it is scapegoating and plausible deniability.

Well, it was their idea, but leadership doesn't work like that. Leaders must choose their advisors, moreover once their advisors provide their leaders with their ideas - it is up to the leader to make the executive decision whether to follow that idea or not. Hence why if a civil servant or an advisor gives advice to a Prime Minister, it is ultimately the Prime Minister's responsibility when they choose to execute those ideas, or choose to not execute those ideas.

Hence I am spinning it somewhat for hearty kekles, it only makes sense that Theresa May now removes the advisors whose advice was not worthwhile - it simply wouldn't make sense to keep taking advice from advisors whose advice isn't useful. In regards to taking responsibility, I had to check just now to be sure, and rather interestingly she took responsibility for her failure just recently. Her failure today has made me respect her more than her successful bid for leadership, though I must say that may not bode well, as the last person to gain my respect thus was Cleggers and well... Cleggers is Clegged

[Sheb]

Well, there's been more people blaming "The Youth" (seriously, I've not seen *this* much complaining about my generation before) for damn near everything, ranging from May having to make a deal with the DUP to inflation.

And I can't take it seriously at all knowing that this sort of thing has been going on for literally thousands of years.

Do you think it's a just revenge for all the people blaming "the old" for Brexit?

[Leafsnail]

"I take full responsibility for what happened - that is why the person that was responsible went immediately."

[hector13]

Well they resigned, technically. I imagine it had nothing to do with the "these guys must go or we'll challenge your leadership" demand by the rest of the party.

Also, to split hairs, she didn't really "win" the leadership bid, since everyone else stepped out. Kinda taints it a bit, I think.

[da_nang]

No idea. It's the same groups that have been blaming "The youth" before, they just seem to have become more frenzied in their insistence that we're gonna be the downfall of the UK (and, funnily enough, they bitched about remainers overexaggerating the effects it would have)

As the old saying goes, "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty, you have no brain."

Like a transition from naivety to reality and ultimately insanity.

[misko27]

No idea. It's the same groups that have been blaming "The youth" before, they just seem to have become more frenzied in their insistence that we're gonna be the downfall of the UK (and, funnily enough, they bitched about remainers overexaggerating the effects it would have)

As the old saying goes, "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty, you have no brain."

Like a transition from naivety to reality and ultimately insanity.

That's not an old saying, that's a Churchill quote.

An a completely related note, zombie Churchill challenges May for leadership, who wins?

[Sheb]

No idea. It's the same groups that have been blaming "The youth" before, they just seem to have become more frenzied in their insistence that we're gonna be the downfall of the UK (and, funnily enough, they bitched about remainers overexaggerating the effects it would have)

As the old saying goes, "If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty, you have no brain."

Like a transition from naivety to reality and ultimately insanity.

That's not an old saying, that's a Churchill quote.

An a completely related note, zombie Churchill challenges May for leadership, who wins?

Corbyn.

[redwallzyl]

I hate that quote with a burning passion.

[Helgoland]

Don't worry, it'll pass in fifteen to twenty years.

[sluissa]

Perhaps not the right thread for it... but...

Grenfell Tower

Never let it, nor the neglectful management and leadership of the locality be forgotten.

The tower is managed by Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation (KCTMO), the largest tenant management organisation (TMO) in England, on behalf of Kensington & Chelsea Council.

In a July 2014 Grenfell Tower regeneration newsletter, the KCTMO instructed residents to stay in the flat in case of a fire:[20]

Emergency fire arrangements
Our longstanding 'stay put' policy stays in force until you are told otherwise. This means that (unless there is a fire in your flat or in the hallway outside your flat) you should stay inside your flat. This is because Grenfell was designed according to rigorous fire safety standards. Also, the new front doors for each flat can withstand a fire for up to 30 minutes, which gives plenty of time for the fire brigade to arrive.

The May 2016 newsletter had the same message, adding that it was on the advice of the Fire Brigade:[21]

The ‘stay put’ fire policy
The smoke detection systems have been upgraded and extended. The Fire Brigade has asked us to reinforce the message that, if there is a fire which is not inside your own home, you are generally safest to stay put in your home to begin with; the Fire Brigade will arrive very quickly if a fire is reported.