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Total Members Voted: 106

[Kot]

Fix the submarine and name it something different.

[evictedSaint]

UFN-SS-45 Archer III

Thanks to our engineers dedicated effort, the battery piles no longer leak.  We've dubbed this version "Archer III", to address whatever concerns people had with the name of the previous "Archer II" version.

Additionally, a "ping" generator is added, along with the passive sonar from the Whalesong.  Engineers argue that it cant be that hard - after all, the Britsh built active sonar thirty years ago, and they haven't even figured out guided missile tech yet.

[Taricus]

'Leto' Naval Countermeasure Launcher:

Combining the Burning Tiger and the Artemis has given the forenian navy a surprisingly helpful tool for surviving the cannalan ASMs. By using the rockets of the artemis and refitting them to instead launch flares or chaff like a much larger version of the Burning Tiger, we can give our ships a measure of protection from cannalan ASMs.

Included is also a new type of warhead for the rockets. Codenamed the 'Insidious', the rocket mounts a small RADAR built to essentially spew radio emissions while it's power supply lasts, it's purpose being a countermeasure to the cannlan ARM. By switching off a ship's RADAR, and then firing the 'Insidious', we can divert the cannalan ARMs from their targets.

[Kot]

UFN-SS-45 Archer III

Why do you have to stick by this retarded name. It's not even a funny joke anymore, setting aside how obvious it is.

[evictedSaint]

Because it's funny.

"We dont like the name"

"Okay, we changed the name"

[Light forger]

UFN-SS-45 Rán

Recognizing that our new submarine will truly live up to its name if not corrected we fix the batteries. Removing the threat of acid eating away the hull until it ruptures there by flooding the engine room and damning the crew. Further more noting that the archer will spend most of its time on the surface where it is currently helpless against both pt boats and aircraft; a 90mm deck gun, twin 30mm autocannons and a noose launcher are added as well. Finally if the impossible happens a simple sonar system is added.

[Olith McHuman]

What about the Whale torpedo? Was that not built?

[Kot]

UFN-SS-45 "Boot"

Thanks to our engineers dedicated effort, the battery piles no longer leak. The parascope is replaced with a proper persicope. An Garlic turret (or just a single autocannon if there's no space, also obviously without IR guidance thing) is added on top behind the conning tower, covered by a sheet of tarp fitted with the conning tower so it doesn't stick out and catch water.
Additionally, a "ping" generator is added, along with the passive sonar from the Whalesong.  Engineers argue that it cant be that hard - after all, the Britsh built active sonar thirty years ago, and they haven't even figured out guided missile tech yet.

[Jilladilla]

What about the Whale torpedo? Was that not built?

It rolled a 2. If it was built, it would have been mentioned. As such, we didn't get it.

[evictedSaint]

(1) UFN-SS-45 "Archer III": eS
(1) UFN-SS-45 "Boot": kot
(1) UFN-SS-45 "Rán": Lightforger
(1) 'Leto' Naval Countermeasure Launcher: Taricus

[Kot]

(1) UFN-SS-45 "Archer III": Es
(1) UFN-SS-45 "Boot": Kot
(1) UFN-SS-45 "Rán": lightforger
(1) 'Leto' Naval Countermeasure Launcher: taricus

[andrea]

Lets not forget that right nowtge sub needs to reach extremely close to enemy ships due to the dolphin torpedo

[Cnidaros]

Man, I didn't think naming it the Archer II would have cursed it so badly. At least we didn't go for the missile sub with that roll.

UFN-SS-45 "Boot"

So named because several engineers were given the boot over the Archer II project, because it sounds similar to the successful German Unterseeboots, and also because some believe it's now bad luck to name any naval vessel "Archer". All records that the submarine was ever named Archer are expunged, and written over with "Boot", which is now the term to describe that something has been censored.

Firstly, the lead-acid batteries are fixed to no longer leak, which should improve its endurance slightly. The engineers who decided we needed to hunt for Cannalan ghosts are booted overboard, and the parascope replaced with a periscope. The passive sonar from the Whalesong mine is added to the bow to assist in stealthy detection of enemy ships.

Finally, a variant of the Dolphin torpedo, the UFN-TPD-45 "Orca" torpedo is developed, which is simply a Dolphin torpedo upscaled with enough fuel to double its range, retaining the gyroscope-assisted running and magnetic detonator of the Dolphin, as well as warhead size.


Differences from the others:
-Doesn't include active sonar but settles for passive. From what I've researched online (here and here and here, as well as wiki) extremely few subs in WWII were equipped with active sonar, and those that did have it rarely used it to target enemy ships, because it gave away their presence and possibly their position. Active sonar was more employed as an anti-submarine measure on surface ships, and also used by submarines to detect other submarines during the Cold War.
-Doesn't include weapons topside, because by this stage in the war it was infeasible to mount sufficient antiair weaponry to deter air attack on submarines, see the U-flak concept. Admittedly the Germans didn't have guided SAMs, but then the aircraft in our war are also much more advanced.
-Instead, focuses on fixing the defects and developing a longer-ranged torpedo to enable more effective attack. I don't think the Dolphin is really all that ineffective as to render the submarine ineffective too, but it seems to be what people wanted.

(1) UFN-SS-45 "Archer III": Es
(1) UFN-SS-45 "Boot": Kot
(1) UFN-SS-45 "Rán": lightforger
(1) 'Leto' Naval Countermeasure Launcher: taricus
(1) UFN-SS-45 "Boot" (v2): Cnidaros

[RAM]

UNFUN-SUS-Fivefortea "Vomit Commit"

Named after the similarity in shape to a comet with a trail, and its higyh acid content, this revision exploits a logical conclusion. Acid leakage sufficient to melt through the hull and overwhelm the air filters that fails to degrade battery performance indicates a limitless source of spontaneously-manifesting acid, as otherwise the batteries would be suffering from a reduced acid content. With an infinite supply of acid, the solution was simple. Coat the hulls in acid-proofing, let's say tar, or glass, yes, glass armour works in elder scrolls, we should stick with glass coating on our armour, we just endlessly pump acid into the space between inner and outer hulls forever. The supply is infinit, as acid approaches infinity, rate of disintegration approaches infinity. Thus, any object that penetrates the hull that is not still coated with glass after penetrating the hull will instantly evaporate and become harmless, resulting in an invincible craft.

[Happerry]

(1) UFN-SS-45 "Archer III": Es
(1) UFN-SS-45 "Boot": Kot
(1) UFN-SS-45 "Rán": lightforger
(1) 'Leto' Naval Countermeasure Launcher: taricus
(2) UFN-SS-45 "Boot" (v2): Cnidaros, Happerry