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Total Members Voted: 106

[andrea]

you reinserted me on the hornet... it should be at 4 votes now, without my name on it.

[evictedSaint]

Yeah, I noticed it and fixed it right away

[3_14159]

Edited in

Another small request: Exchange the "It's armed with two nose mounted machine guns, four wing mounted 20mm auto cannons and, a carry weight of one metric ton of bombs or torpedoes." for "It's armed with two nose mounted machine guns and four wing mounted 20mm auto cannons. Hardpoints on the wings can mount droptanks or bombs, although the plane is optimized for air-to-air combat", to make it clearer.

Voting for it nonetheless.

5 UFAF-F39 'Haast':
    4 Using a research credit: Lightforger, evictedSaint, Andrea, 3_14159
    1 Without using a research credit: Piratejoe
0 The UF-SHB-39 Ice Giant:
1 UF-F-39 "Yastreb"(Using a research credit): Mulisa
1 UF-MA-Ta/Fa "Cacophonous Pseudonym": RAM
1 UF-HAT-39-A "Vanguard": Khan Boyzitbig
4 UFAF-F-39 "Hornet" (with research credit): Azzuro, NUKE9.13, Powder Miner, Wolfhunter107
1 Armoured War Tigers: NAV
1 UFAF-F-39 "Hornet" (variant B) (with research credit), strongpoint

[andrea]

That is some excellent wording.

[Azzuro]

As has been noted, the technology that is on the Stinger is a turbocharger, not a supercharger. The designs are already complex enough with folding wings and whatnot without venturing down a new path of engine enhancement. And designing a plane for air superiority versus bombing are completely separate things. You can make a plane that does both, but it's not going to be good at both.

[evictedSaint]

This design is deliberately stretching the bounds of our tech, so a Supercharger is a fine addition.  If we keep shying away from new things then we will never get them.

[Strongpoint]

As has been noted, the technology that is on the Stinger is a turbocharger, not a supercharger. The designs are already complex enough with folding wings and whatnot without venturing down a new path of engine enhancement. And designing a plane for air superiority versus bombing are completely separate things. You can make a plane that does both, but it's not going to be good at both.

We should either stay at turbocharger or skip a step and go for the two stage supercharger else we will get an aircraft with a rather bad high attitude performance.

One ton of bombs is not something that pure air superiority fighter can't handle if it has both wing mounts and under fuselage even if it is on the higher end.  I'd prefer to stay in 250kg range with two underwing mounts or just leave it blank and let Sensei decide how many bombs the aircraft can carry.

[NUKE9.13]

Another small request: Exchange the "It's armed with two nose mounted machine guns, four wing mounted 20mm auto cannons and, a carry weight of one metric ton of bombs or torpedoes." for "It's armed with two nose mounted machine guns and four wing mounted 20mm auto cannons. Hardpoints on the wings can mount droptanks or bombs, although the plane is optimized for air-to-air combat", to make it clearer.

Voting for it nonetheless.

6 UFAF-F39 'Haast':
    5 Using a research credit: Lightforger, evictedSaint, Andrea, 3_14159, NUKE9.13
    1 Without using a research credit: Piratejoe
0 The UF-SHB-39 Ice Giant:
1 UF-F-39 "Yastreb"(Using a research credit): Mulisa
1 UF-MA-Ta/Fa "Cacophonous Pseudonym": RAM
1 UF-HAT-39-A "Vanguard": Khan Boyzitbig
3 UFAF-F-39 "Hornet" (with research credit): Azzuro, Powder Miner, Wolfhunter107
1 Armoured War Tigers: NAV
1 UFAF-F-39 "Hornet" (variant B) (with research credit), strongpoint

With the above wording, I'll vote for the Haast. We're mostly debating minor details here.

[Azzuro]

LIST OF REAL PLANES THAT HAVE BEEN CITED AS FIGHTER-BOMBERS:

Mitsubshi A6M Zero: 2 x 60 kg bombs, or 250kg for kamikaze attack
P-51 Mustang: 453 kg total of bombs on two wing hardpoints
P-47 Thunderbolt: 1,134 kg of bombs, "Maneuverability was less than desired when compared with the Supermarine Spitfire and Messerschmitt Bf 109"
Bf 109: 1 x 250 kg or 4 x 50kg bombs
Nakajima Ki-43: 2 x 250kg bombs
Hawker Hurricane: 2 x 250kg bombs

Of which, only the Zero was carrier-based, limiting its. It is physically impossible to make a fighter-bomber carrier-based with 1 tonne payload and still have a good fighter.

[Light forger]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F6F_Hellcat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_F4U_Corsair

Both carried 2 tons a piece.

[evictedSaint]

Lets shoot for 1 ton and let sensei slap us down to half a ton.

Im pretty sure it wont take off from carriers with more than a half ton, anyways.

[Azzuro]

Lets shoot for 1 ton and let sensei slap us down to half a ton.

Im pretty sure it wont take off from carriers with more than a half ton, anyways.

That is the current capability of our planes. We will essentially have added on extra complexity to this new fighter without a gain.

[evictedSaint]

Asking for 1-ton and not getting it doesn't mean we still have the complexity of a 1-ton load.  Think of the design as more of a wishlist.

[Sensei]

UFAF-F39-W 'Haast'
The hopefully not misnamed haast is the next generation of Forenia aircraft. It's powered by a brand new supercharged fuel-injected V-12 and makes use of the aerodynamic breakthroughs our car made. Servo and trim tabs on its control surfaces, from our aerodynamics research, allow it to out-manoeuvre enemy fighters even at these high speeds. It's armed with two nose mounted machine guns, four wing mounted 20mm auto cannons and, a carry weight of one metric ton of bombs or torpedoes(the mounts are also used for drop tanks), although the plane is optimized for air-to-air combat. The plane is designed with the pilot's safety in mind and makes use of the a manganese alloy 'bathtub' to prevent pilots from being killed in action. This armored section of the pilots cabin wraps behind, below, and in front of the pilot and is able to withstand hits from 20mm cannons. It also makes use of self-sealing fuel tanks; essentially a rubber shell around the fuel tanks that expands when the internals are exposed to gasoline. Keeping with its "next generation" status the fighter has retractable landing gear, pressurized cabin, full radio system, and oxygen masks with an improved oxygen regulator.  It also features folding wings, which allow for more of them to be stored aboard carriers.

UFAF-1938-W 'Haast'(Using a research credit.): Lightforger

The sky belongs to us, pirates!

Very Hard: 6, 1
UFAF-F39-W 'Haast': The Haast is a single-engine heavy fighter. It has a single supercharged, fuel-injected V12 petrol motor with a notably bigger displacement than those on the Falcon or Stinger. It's about at the limits of what V12 is capable of without more elaborate induction, different fuel or more cylinders. It is very heavily armed with two M3 Sorraia nose guns, and four wing-mounted AC-18's. The cabin is armored with a manganese-alloy "bathtub". It has deep ellipse wings to create the lift necessary for its considerable weight, plus that of bomb mounts- it can wrangle 1000kg of bombs on three mounts, potentially holding two Dolphin torpedoes. It doesn't outmaneuver existing fighters, and it's relatively slow. It has a large wingspan, but can fit on Wasp Nest carriers thanks to folding wings. It also includes some other new features: foam-lined fuel tanks act to self seal in the event of leaks, and a new Oxygen Regulator which safely controls the pilot's oxygen supply. It can't take off of a Wasp Nest with bombs, the runway is just a little too short. [5 Ore (1Al, 1Mn), 4 Oil]

[evictedSaint]

Whoops, we accidentally built a heavy fighter/bomber.

Sensei, what is the runway length needed for takeoff with a full load?