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Glorious Arstotzka

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Total Members Voted: 106

[Baffler]

We're also pretty poor. We wouldn't be able to build more than a couple heavy cruisers, and battleships are pretty much categorically out. The most we can probably manage is light/escort carriers as capital ships.

[Taricus]

What about pocket battleships/battlecruisers? Also we have a lot more resources available to us than before.

[andrea]

I wouldn't say we are that poor. Most likely 3/3 since turn 2, expandable. battleships would be very expensive, but I think doable. especially if we capture more, for example the NPC ore island.
Not that we SHOULD design battleships, mind you.

[NUKE9.13]

We're also pretty poor. We wouldn't be able to build more than a couple heavy cruisers, and battleships are pretty much categorically out. The most we can probably manage is light/escort carriers as capital ships.

Hmm. It's something we're looking at when we come round to designing a carrier- how big can we make it without going into National Effort territory- or if we choose to deliberately aim for National Effort (as even a single giant carrier could be very useful), how to avoid going into Theoretical territory.

Yeah that is battleship sized isn't it... Maybe 255mm then. But either way having something much bigger than them (in terms of artillery) is a good thing. That said battleship grade coastal batteries would deter naval invasion right?

Cannala's largest artillery is (I think) a 6" (150mm) piece called the Nightstorm Howitzer. This is larger than ours, which is only 100mm. Certainly, developing a truly large gun would be advantageous... but if we aim more for a carrier doctrine, we may not actually need the big guns? I mean, if we can make it mobile on land like you describe, that would be useful, but may prove impractical. I dunno.

[Taricus]

Naval doctrine wise any big-gun ship is going to be subsidiary to the carriers, but potent enough to threaten cannalan ships to leave the CAGs to choose the more opportunate targets and to provide artillery support for our marines.

[Powder Miner]

I'll change my vote back to the Stars and Swords since the AOOKFTTRTN is getting traction and the one I was going for doesn't seem to be.

[Baffler]

Yeah that is battleship sized isn't it... Maybe 255mm then. But either way having something much bigger than them (in terms of artillery) is a good thing. That said battleship grade coastal batteries would deter naval invasion right?

Cannala's largest artillery is (I think) a 6" (150mm) piece called the Nightstorm Howitzer. This is larger than ours, which is only 100mm. Certainly, developing a truly large gun would be advantageous... but if we aim more for a carrier doctrine, we may not actually need the big guns? I mean, if we can make it mobile on land like you describe, that would be useful, but may prove impractical. I dunno.

Can we see the Cannalan design list somewhere, or is that considered spying before the game starts since we've got a free design?

[Khan Boyzitbig]

Yeah that is battleship sized isn't it... Maybe 255mm then. But either way having something much bigger than them (in terms of artillery) is a good thing. That said battleship grade coastal batteries would deter naval invasion right?

Cannala's largest artillery is (I think) a 6" (150mm) piece called the Nightstorm Howitzer. This is larger than ours, which is only 100mm. Certainly, developing a truly large gun would be advantageous... but if we aim more for a carrier doctrine, we may not actually need the big guns? I mean, if we can make it mobile on land like you describe, that would be useful, but may prove impractical. I dunno.

Short of filling the skies with bombers keeping up the pressure for ground advances is difficult for aircraft, so some large artillery pieces that outrange the counter fire would be cheaper in the long run and more efficient at keeping the enemy cowering (and our troops alive).

[Taricus]

Well... we can fill the skies with anti-infantry strafers after the first turn. So we should be fairly set there.

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Well I do have this idea for a very heavy siege gun (300mm+) that was stabilised with 6 hydraulic legs and could fire in any direction without needing to be moved that could function as a railway gun, coastal battery, heavy fortification weapon, naval artillery or added onto the deck of a carrier without needing a gun mount on the ship itself. The legs could allow it to fire at odd angles or on uneven terrain and not require specially developed tracks or anything else in order to fire. Not sure how feasible it would be (beyond providing a cruiser grade gun) but how feasible is a rolling deathball?

For some reason, probably the legs comment, I am picturing a Metal Gear.  Still, having something as versatile as you are listing is far likelier to be complex, maybe twice over, and require a large amount of resources.  May want to stick with something simple in coastal artillery we could mount to our ships.

Maybe this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40.6_cm_SK_C/34_gun

May want to wait a bit further into the future for that, though.  Get through the plan of Torpedo, RADAR, Destroyer, Carrier first.

Yeah that is battleship sized isn't it... Maybe 255mm then. But either way having something much bigger than them (in terms of artillery) is a good thing. That said battleship grade coastal batteries would deter naval invasion right?

Cannala's largest artillery is (I think) a 6" (150mm) piece called the Nightstorm Howitzer. This is larger than ours, which is only 100mm. Certainly, developing a truly large gun would be advantageous... but if we aim more for a carrier doctrine, we may not actually need the big guns? I mean, if we can make it mobile on land like you describe, that would be useful, but may prove impractical. I dunno.

Can we see the Cannalan design list somewhere, or is that considered spying before the game starts since we've got a free design?

If it is there old game's final listings, I don't think it would be considered spying since they have ours they can look at as well and several on both sides have likely already seen those lists, and there would be people just wanting to read the game.  It isn't the list they are using, but we can guess based on it.  Just don't go past the final turn just in case they discussed anything in that thread.

[Khan Boyzitbig]

Well I wasn't suggesting something self propelled (though that would be an interesting concept) as that would be extremely expensive and complex.
I would say pre-war intel wouldn't fully count as spying (they might not even still use all the old stuff they have) as we may have heard it from diplomats and the like (but full tech specs I would say is something that we shouldn't know).

[Zanzetkuken The Great]

Well I wasn't suggesting something self propelled (though that would be an interesting concept) as that would be extremely expensive and complex.

Hmmm...what's the largest self propelled artillery piece that was made at this point in time?  Preferably not railway mounted so we can deploy it in more locations.

Also, looked at the M65 Atomic Artillery piece.  Turns out it has a barrel of 280mm, so if the game winds up running long enough, we might be able to have the gun based on the one I linked before shoot atomic shells.

[Khan Boyzitbig]

Well I wasn't suggesting something self propelled (though that would be an interesting concept) as that would be extremely expensive and complex.

Hmmm...what's the largest self propelled artillery piece that was made at this point in time?  Preferably not railway mounted so we can deploy it in more locations.

Also, looked at the M65 Atomic Artillery piece.  Turns out it has a barrel of 280mm, so if the game winds up running long enough, we might be able to have the gun based on the one I linked before shoot atomic shells.

I'm pretty sure the Germans had 122mm SPGs around 1940 and the soviet KV-2 carried a 152mm howitzer (Russian-Finnish war was 38 or 39 iirc) (albeit not able to fire like artillery). Think the Americans and Russians also had 152mm+ SPGs around the same time too. There was definitely AFVs with large calibre weapons used by the major powers in this period.

[Baffler]

152mm is about as big as they got. It was generally considered the upper limit for a practical field piece, though coastal guns got much bigger, up to as much as 20 inches (~400mm) and as little as 122mm.

[NUKE9.13]

I feel I should mention that there is a debate happening in the discord right now over whether to develop a destroyer or radar first.