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[Neonivek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5lUeIDNfXI

This is everything you need to know about "Celebrities are people too" as a counter argument.

"STOP LOOKING AT ME! Why can't I just blend in?"

Mind you. My arguments do not reflect my own opinions.

[nenjin]

The unpopular/controversial idea that posting on Bay12 for the first time just to promote your game is a bad thing.

I get shit from other forum regulars all the time about it but honestly? I don't care. Bay12 is special to me because it's full of real people talkin about games as fans talk about them, and it drives me a little nuts in this day and age of self-promotion when people come here explicitly because they know it's a big site. I'm actually ok with people posting their games here, but not when OG is treated like a place to advertise. I know people think I'm being incredibly discourteous when I say something about it, but I wouldn't view it any different than if someone walked up on the street to me and, without introducing themselves, started trying to sell me something. Shotgun marketing has never sat well with me.

There is a right and a wrong way to promote your new game in a community. To me the right way is to prove it's not a copy/pasted advertisement. Introduce yourself. Show you understand the community enough to actually craft a post instead of just building a set of hyperlinks. That shows some basic respect for the fact we are not just potential consumers, and the forum is not just a place to help you build up your Kickstarter. We can be and the forum can do that for you, if your game looks rad and you seem cool.

I really debated whether to post this at all but it fits firmly in the thread and is meta.

[itisnotlogical]

You cannot use that clout and then disown it at the same time.

That is why it doesn't apply when you do it, because you are at such a lesser scale that it doesn't affect your standing.

It's not about celebrities disowning their own status. It's about feeling like you have a right to pass personal judgments on somebody who's done nothing wrong besides have more money than you, or at worst be kind of annoying WHILE having more money than you. It's about turning off your empathy and sense of "This is another human being" because you're looking at a carefully manipulated clip on a TV screen, and taking that as objective reality. Most people on here don't even trust a news story until it's been presented by multiple sources, why would you trust a reality TV show to give you an accurate portrait of somebody's life? And yet that is what people do and it's annoying as hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5lUeIDNfXI

This is everything you need to know about "Celebrities are people too" as a counter argument.

Ohhhhh! A scene depicting a charicature of a charicature on a comedy show on Disney Channel. NOW I get you. Hang on, I'll have to go to my Brandy & Mr. Whiskers box set to cite some more humanizing counter-examples.

[Neonivek]

It's not about celebrities disowning their own status. It's about feeling like you have a right to pass personal judgments on somebody who's done nothing wrong besides have more money than you, or at worst be kind of annoying WHILE having more money than you.

Hmm that is an entirely different argument from "Celebrities are people too".

I was more going on how celebrities are hyperfocused where everything they do is essentially multiplied many fold and how it is hypocritical when one of them decries the fact that people are on their case because they are a celebrity... all the while they milk the fact that they are a celebrity to full effect. Wanting all the status but none of the downsides, like a child who wants to be older because it means they can stay up longer, but complaining that it means they have responsibilities.

The whole "They are people too" only means so much when celebrity status is used as much as a tool by celebrities themselves.

I am not arguing that celebrities should be targeted with hate boners due to the fact that they are celebrities.

Which normally I wouldn't argue these points in a thread like this... but "Celebrities aren't actually people" is a much more unpopular opinion and I think it deserves some clout of "Celebrities are big freeken hypocrites if they ever try to say that and may they finally shut up about how eco-conscious they are!"

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Though as I said my actual opinion on this lies somewhere else entirely.

[Frumple]

Unpopular opinion: Celebrities are normal people too, living to the best of their abilities in a life incredibly far removed from anything any of us have known or are likely to know. But nobody buys "Celebrity walks puppy, tries to live up to spouse's expectations, has children to raise while living under 24/7 intense media scrutiny" so we manufacture controversy and make mountains out of molehills regarding people that ultimately aren't important.

They can definitely be normal people. On the other hand, the stresses and advantages given by that sort of attention push pretty strongly towards various sorts of rather messed up behavior. Add on that they're surrounded by similar people and all the sorts seeking to take advantage of such folks, and you have a recipe for very notable inclination towards all sorts of mess.

That said, great heaping piles of shit totally are invented wholecloth or near enough with constant regularity. Somethin' gotta' fill dem tabloid pages.

... also, they kinda' are important, to varying extents. Being someone that's basically one of the notable faces of a culture isn't exactly a small thing. People watch and are influenced, and that spreads. Not just about annoyance, it's about the nature of the culture you live in and the issues related to interacting directly and especially otherwise with the folks that represent meaningful facets of it.

[Tiruin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5lUeIDNfXI

This is everything you need to know about "Celebrities are people too" as a counter argument.

Ohhhhh! A scene depicting a charicature of a charicature on a comedy show on Disney Channel. NOW I get you. Hang on, I'll have to go to my Brandy & Mr. Whiskers box set to cite some more humanizing counter-examples.

Well, there goes things in my childhood I found more amusing than the shows of today.
That said...not everyone is represented by the celebrities--they are people too, but there's a lot into it that makes it seem one way or another to people--most especially exposure over time, like if something is hyped up so much as if it's a big deal, and it's pretty much something you're exposed to a lot...it's going to mean something.

There's also the biggest part being abstractionism: When you treat the concept rather than the person, which is blatantly a big theme with 'internet bluntness or rudeness' as there's a lot less human interaction and more abstracted interaction.

...Although from a rather -half-a-world-away- experience, I have no idea why the Kardashians are an 'example' there. Seems just like something localized.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The unpopular/controversial idea that posting on Bay12 for the first time just to promote your game is a bad thing.

I get shit from other forum regulars all the time about it but honestly? I don't care. Bay12 is special to me because it's full of real people talkin about games as fans talk about them, and it drives me a little nuts in this day and age of self-promotion when people come here explicitly because they know it's a big site. I'm actually ok with people posting their games here, but not when OG is treated like a place to advertise. I know people think I'm being incredibly discourteous when I say something about it, but I wouldn't view it any different than if someone walked up on the street to me and, without introducing themselves, started trying to sell me something. Shotgun marketing has never sat well with me.

There is a right and a wrong way to promote your new game in a community. To me the right way is to prove it's not a copy/pasted advertisement. Introduce yourself. Show you understand the community enough to actually craft a post instead of just building a set of hyperlinks. That shows some basic respect for the fact we are not just potential consumers, and the forum is not just a place to help you build up your Kickstarter. We can be and the forum can do that for you, if your game looks rad and you seem cool.

I really debated whether to post this at all but it fits firmly in the thread and is meta.

Hear, hear. It's worth pointing out that advertising is against the forum guidelines. I don't know quite how heavily Toady enforces that against crowdfunding spammers, but I report them all the same.

There's hardly a thread on the front page of OG that doesn't have a shitty banner for this month's DF clone and/or crafting survival simulator.

[Sinistar]

Beyond Good and Evil (2003 game) is "just ok".

Half-Life 2 is overrated.

Gundam Zeta is crap.

Star Wars The Force Awakens is such a pile of steaming shit even The Phantom Menace is better.

[overseer05-15]

@Sinistar I don't care about 3/4 of your post, but you'd better explain the Star Wars one.

[TempAcc]

Force Awakens is pretty crap, me thinks as well.

Behold, one of my 400 unpopular opinions: whenever I see someone go "hey guys i'm comming out as polyamorous" I can't help but to read it as "I cheated on my boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife and I need a more socially acceptable excuse for it instead of just saying I cheated on them, and if my partner doesnt like it, then they're a bigot!".

I also generally think of polyamorous people as people who want the benefits of a relationship but are too feeble to deal with the less comfortable aspects of it.

[George_Chickens]

The Force Awakens is genuinely one of the worst movies I've seen, but not for why you may think. It's not that it's poorly done in any way, but that it's just such a boring flatline where nothing dips too low into so bad it's good or too high into good territory that I can't stand it at all. My dad fell asleep when we watched it, and he almost never does that during a movie.

[Antioch]

Not as bad as Return of the Jedi though.

[Baffler]

Beyond Good and Evil (2003 game) is "just ok".

Half-Life 2 is overrated.

Gundam Zeta is crap.

Star Wars The Force Awakens is such a pile of steaming shit even The Phantom Menace is better.

Don't have a horse in the race on Beyond Good and Evil and Gundam Zeta, and agreed with Star Wars, but how do you figure with Half-Life?

[ChairmanPoo]

I've never liked the Half-Life series tbh. Only Half-Life 3 was any good.

[Hanslanda]

I kind of feel like eugenics could be a good thing if done properly. >.>