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[Max™]

Heh, fondleslab got a shout out, eyyyy!

I think that the real problem here is the Phillips Head side of the Phillips Head vs Hex screws debate. I mean there was that Hex enthusiast and collector whose life they just totally ruined for posting photos of his old-fashioned vintage hex screw heads in the Phillips pinterest, there was constant hate mail and shit. I'm pretty sure the guy took his own life after that.

Also, liek, Danial Radcliffe just said one thing for Hex as a joke, in some tweet, when he was thirteen and barely famous, and he got death threats in the mail from the Phillips Head people. It's little known, and has been covered up wuite a bit by the Phillips Head media, but they ruined his life for a few years, you know? It's scary shit, could happen to anyone brave enough to raise their head and challenge the Phillips Head consensus.

There was also this tech guy on Vimeo who did reviews and shit like that of hardware stuff, and he mostly just talked about power drills and especially DeWalt lines and stuff. But then he's also got massively into the whole Hex thing, and next thing you know the Phillips head guys were like, calling operation Yewtree on him and stuff like that, and mailbombs and shit, not that a Phillips head user could assemble a working mail bomb

Anyway, I totally agree with everything you guys are saying. But three's a lotta people out there who wouldn't, so keep it real.

Look, whether you're a phillipsian or a hexonite, I think we can all agree on one thing: those filthy h-type loving spannerslotocrats need to be fed to hungry pigs...

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Ok, unpopular opinion time!

Picard > Kirk because Stewart > Shatner.

[itisnotlogical]

Well, I'm of the opinion that TNG > TOS in almost every way, although individual episodes are of course debatable.

[Max™]

TOS has a great kitschy appeal, like vanilla df, TNG has more bells and whistles and is a lot fancier, like your own cozy modded version of df.

Forgot to mention, I didn't actually know about those fucking h-type shits until I was taking apart a neat little desk fan we got to clean it out and discovered that every screw on it was a proper upstanding phillips head, except that one filthy fucking spanner slot piece of garbage, fuck people who put shit like that in to discourage folks from fixing their stuff.

[Starver]

"Posidrive massive in the house say Yeee-aahh!"

Ok, unpopular opinion time!

Picard > Kirk because Stewart > Shatner.

This is a decades old issue with the key being the answer to the clarifying question "pre-Locutus or post-Locutus?"

(These days, there's also Xavier and Bullock on the Stewart-Picard side.  Shatner-Kirk pulls it back a bit with Buck Murdock, maybe.)

[Max™]

Bullock is one of my favorite characters, though Francine is my spirit-animal, I still adore Bullock.

[Antioch]

Well, I'm of the opinion that TNG > TOS in almost every way, although individual episodes are of course debatable.

True.

Star Trek as a whole is extremely inconsistent in it's quality. And TnG and ESPECIALLY voyager suffer deeply from never having had the balls to introduce long term story arcs.

therefore:

Babylon 5 (season 2 to 4) > all of Star Trek

Seriously Babylon 5 is so underrated it isn't even funny. I can't think of a better scifi series right now, especially not from that period.

[overseer05-15]

Well, I'm of the opinion that TNG > TOS in almost every way, although individual episodes are of course debatable.

True.

Star Trek as a whole is extremely inconsistent in it's quality. And TnG and ESPECIALLY voyager suffer deeply from never having had the balls to introduce long term story arcs.

therefore:

Babylon 5 (season 2 to 4) > all of Star Trek

Seriously Babylon 5 is so underrated it isn't even funny. I can't think of a better scifi series right now, especially not from that period.

Now, I've never heard of Babylon 5, but I'm willing to discount its quality in favor of Star Trek.

although individual episodes are of course debatable.

[Max™]

Well I didn't even bring that up because it's like asking what's better, climbing a rope in gym class or making passionate love to your mate, obviously B5 > Trek, all day, erry day.

[Frumple]

Eh, I could probably agree B5 trumps trek so far overall plot quality goes. Not really sure that's necessarily saying much, though. Trek's great for all sorts of reasons by coherent series-wide plot isn't exactly one of them, heh.

Not actually sure I'd call B5 the best of its time, though. One of, definitely, but my memory's telling me there's one or two other, some of the ones that aren't just underrated, but straight up forgotten, sci-fi shows around that time that were pretty damn good.

... I just can't remember what they were or their contents :V

[TempAcc]

TOS episodes always kinda gave me murder mystery vibes, in which the crew goes to some place and then need to find out the truth behind something terrible that happened or that is still going on, which isn't bad, but was trope that was seemingly used too often. TNG had more variety to it, IMO.

And hooking back to the political argument side of things, one thing that always baffled me is the whole "our opponents do X, and we're opposed to them, therefore we're the best thing ever and all our faults can be forgiven" argument that is often employed in political banter. This came back to me with the whole Milo thing, and was used by both sides of the political spectrum. You have your left attacking the right as a whole as the harbourers of pedos, strangely forgetting the whole Wiener (hue) issue and many other such cases, while there are some people (thankfuly not many) still doing mental gymnastics to give Milo a free pass for that one interview.

I dont think Milo can even be considered a representative of the right as a whole (duh), he was more of an idiot magnet that always managed to catch and expose the craziest and loudest parts of the left, which is exactly what made him popular, and rightfuly so.
Like, when Milo was just a mostly unknown dweeb doing the whole ~dangerous faggot~ (his terminology, not mine) thing and speaking at unis, the craziest ivory tower people and uni rats would go and try to take a bite out of him. Stuff like SJW girls with fake blood on their faces, ivory tower socialists and the most trigglypuff tier kids one can possibly find, screaming at the top of their lungs at this guy that represents everything that they claim to represent, taking away what they believed to be their ideological monopoly and throwing it back at them covered in spikes of smarmyness. He was a useful tool in this regard, as he could cause the worst parts of the left to manifest just by his mere presence (ex: berkley), but he was a problem because he alienated people from the right because he'd often go overboard, like in that one case with the trans student.
Its really not surprising that he got thrown under the bus when a chance came up, given how many people on the right were just hoping he'd go away, whats surprising is that there's still some people standing up for him.

[overseer05-15]

But Firefly (tv show) > anything you could come up with, if we're being honest.

[Antioch]

While we are talking Scifi:

Star Wars episode 6 is worse than 1 and 2 combined.


Why? It throws away basically everything Empire Strikes back build up. The central theme of Star Wars is the light vs dark side of the force. In Episode 5 Luke is deeply troubled and his time with Yoda has lots of foreshadowing such as Yoda saying Luke will throw everything away if he confronts Vader now. Or Luke seeing himself when he strikes down the fake Vader in the cave.

In part 6 it just goes: Emperor: "join the dark side" Luke: "lolno" Vader: "I am going to dump down a shaft now"

And Ewoks

[Neonivek]

I always found the whole "Kirk versus Picard" debate to be weird

In that... it is only a HUGE nerd battle to people outside that fanbase...

Inside the fanbase? Picard is pretty much the winner... There are people who prefer Kirk but it isn't the 50/50 split people assume...

Though I don't know if people are really fighting about it passionately... they are drastically different captains.

[Max™]

Part of it seems like nostalgia now that people are old enough and distant enough to look at TNG through the same goggles, same with DS9 which I watched until I ended up losing track during some moves, and Voyager which I only picked up briefly, Cisco is way more of a badass than I remember him being, and I find myself liking Janeway more in episodes I'm watching years after they first came on, though I also grew fond of Mulgrew after her absurdly awesome performance in that adult swim show NTSF:SD:SUV.

Never even knew about Enterprise until it was nearly over, and all I know of the new timeline is that nuKhan is hot, much like urKhan was hot.

While we are talking Scifi:

Star Wars episode 6 is worse than 1 and 2 combined.


Why? It throws away basically everything Empire Strikes back build up. The central theme of Star Wars is the light vs dark side of the force. In Episode 5 Luke is deeply troubled and his time with Yoda has lots of foreshadowing such as Yoda saying Luke will throw everything away if he confronts Vader now. Or Luke seeing himself when he strikes down the fake Vader in the cave.

In part 6 it just goes: Emperor: "join the dark side" Luke: "lolno" Vader: "I am going to dump down a shaft now"

And Ewoks

AND slave Leia, thus inspiring lots of enjoyable cosplay... though that is rather effectively negated by... ewok cosplay, which nobody needed even before furries were a thing.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I never understood why people hate on Voyager so much. I only watched TNG, DS9, and Voyager, and I thought that they were all on about the same level.