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[MaxTheFox]

. Murderers could acquire guns illegally, and I guarantee that there would be a huge black market.

The thing is, if manufacturer have no legal market, they will produce less, and long term there will be less appearing on the black market through second and third hand.


I could have bought illegal firearms in my lifetime, it's not something unachievable, but it makes a hell of a lot of a differnce if there is a constant flood of fresh weapons right out of the factory into the pool.




Like, expect the 40billion that has been flown to ukraine (i saw like 50 giant military planes this week likely heading. to rammstein given their orientation) to be in the hands of bad guys 20 years from now, it's not the exception it's the norm.

Honestly, fair enough.

[delphonso]

Yeah, it is notably not an issue in China, even though we literally manufacture most of the guns sold in the US. There's no legal place to buy one, and plenty of illegal places to buy illegal stuff, but who wants the heat for selling guns, let alone buying them? Much safer to sell other illegal stuff like...I dunno...unlicensed food or...porn or something.

The biggest gun story from my area that I can remember is when three men all accidentally shot themselves in the balls with a homemade gun in something I can only describe as 'over the top slapstick.'

[MaxTheFox]

Yeah, it is notably not an issue in China, even though we literally manufacture most of the guns sold in the US. There's no legal place to buy one, and plenty of illegal places to buy illegal stuff, but who wants the heat for selling guns, let alone buying them? Much safer to sell other illegal stuff like...I dunno...unlicensed food or...porn or something.

The biggest gun story from my area that I can remember is when three men all accidentally shot themselves in the balls with a homemade gun in something I can only describe as 'over the top slapstick.'

I was thinking of all those guns already in private hands likely not being wholly successfully confiscated, rather than them not reaching private hands in the first place.
Anyways, you guys are up shit creek without a paddle. I hope it gets better for America someday.

[dragdeler]

Soo, not entirely serious but just saying... when you do a buyback program and you notice that at some point the flow ebbs off... Keep raising the sum until people be stealing the guns out of others homes to sell them to the goverment xD


(still less stupid than shooting all the buffalos)

[EuchreJack]

An informative article on guns & New York City.
If you read it, you'll see how it's relevant.

[Loud Whispers]

Yeah, it is notably not an issue in China, even though we literally manufacture most of the guns sold in the US. There's no legal place to buy one, and plenty of illegal places to buy illegal stuff, but who wants the heat for selling guns, let alone buying them? Much safer to sell other illegal stuff like...I dunno...unlicensed food or...porn or something.

The biggest gun story from my area that I can remember is when three men all accidentally shot themselves in the balls with a homemade gun in something I can only describe as 'over the top slapstick.'

VPN dealing is all the craze

[EuchreJack]

So....
What happens when guns owned legally become guns owned illegally?
Legit question.

In other words, when people own a rifle legally without a permit, then the State/Fed requires that person to "Only acquire from a Gun Dealer", what does that make the previously law-abiding citizen, who paid several hundred or thousand dollars to own rifle(s)?

[Grim Portent]

So....
What happens when guns owned legally become guns owned illegally?
Legit question.

In other words, when people own a rifle legally without a permit, then the State/Fed requires that person to "Only acquire from a Gun Dealer", what does that make the previously law-abiding citizen, who paid several hundred or thousand dollars to own rifle(s)?

Generally speaking when a country tightens restrictions of firearms sales (or any restricted access items really) they only apply to guns purchased in future, not to guns purchased in a manner that was legal beforehand, though there is an expectation that you will register the gun properly so you can't just lie about it later on, and a grace period in which to do so before it becomes assumed you're lying about having purchased the gun before the new legislation came into force. I think the usual term used for this practice is 'grandfathering in,' making an exception to the current law to avoid needless bother in the short term.

If you need a permit to keep the guns but didn't before then turn out to be ineligible for a permit (recent history of minor violence, long term history of serious violence, proclivity for threatening people and so on) after a change in legislation the guns get confiscated and you may or may not be compensated depending on the government policy.

[EuchreJack]

Good answer, but I think the part that pisses me off is the part where each gun costs money to register.
Sure, that $50 registration fee^hypothetical on one gun doesn't sound too bad.
But what if you had 10 guns prior to the new law?

Damn, maybe I SHOULD Shoot the Gun Dealers! They're gonna make a killing on this shit.

Ah, Democrats.  Always finding new ways to tax people.

[nenjin]

Damn, maybe I SHOULD Shoot the Gun Dealers! They're gonna make a killing on this shit.

At least the bullets would be hitting the right people, for once.

[Loud Whispers]

Damn, maybe I SHOULD Shoot the Gun Dealers! They're gonna make a killing on this shit.

At least the bullets would be hitting the right people, for once.

'The first and most important rule in gun-running is never get shot with your own merchandise,' t. Yuri Orlov

[EuchreJack]

This does make one wonder why the mass shootings don't involve the gun dealers.
I mean, why spend $700 for ONE gun when you can spend $700 for ALL the guns?

[Grim Portent]

Among other reasons people don't tend to internalise conspiracies and/or grudges towards people who sell guns the way they do towards fellow students, coworkers, religious/racial/sexual minorities, women and so on.

I also imagine the response time from the police when someone tries to hold up a gun store is insanely fast.

For a mass shooter the goal is about fear, pain and death, not gaining possessions, so robbing a store or dealer with an available target group of whoever works there plus any customers present at that exact moment isn't super appealing.

[Frumple]

This does make one wonder why the mass shootings don't involve the gun dealers.
I mean, why spend $700 for ONE gun when you can spend $700 for ALL the guns?

Beyond what GP noted, there's no need to shoot them; most of the folks inclined towards illegal gun trafficking (i.e. would want to spend 700 bucks to get all the guns) make backroom deals with the dealers for stuff that falls off the truck, or just steals the shit afterhours or whatever. Firearm dealers lose (and "lose") a fair amount of stock to theft and whatnot as is, it just doesn't tend to make the news unless it's part of a major trafficking bust or something.

[Loud Whispers]

This does make one wonder why the mass shootings don't involve the gun dealers.
I mean, why spend $700 for ONE gun when you can spend $700 for ALL the guns?

Probably because those mass shooters are acting rationally and are mentally sound, they're out to get people who are unarmed

The mass shooters that have seemed indifferent to armed confrontation like the Vegas shooter or the Uni Texas tower shooter had propable paranoid-schizophrenia and a brain tumour respectively. This is why the insanity defence rarely works for mass shooters. You can't fake a total disregard for your own wellbeing