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[lemon10]

The problem is the president tried his best, and succeeded with about half of Americans, that the pandemic wasn't a big issue and that you shouldn't care about it.

In the face of a good chunk of refusing to do any preventive measures at all (on top of the normal selfish people that simply would never cooperate) you need extreme measures to contain it, and surprise surprise, president Covid refused to actually implement anything anywhere that would help.

It really didn't need to be this way, and I honestly think if we had any other republican president ever this whole thing would have so much better, they would have started preparing as soon as they heard about it and we would have had a massive government-led Covid response and they would have been overwhelmingly elected to a second term with the entire nation behind them.

[MrRoboto75]

It really didn't need to be this way, and I honestly think if we had any other republican president ever this whole thing would have so much better, they would have started preparing as soon as they heard about it and we would have had a massive government-led Covid response and they would have been overwhelmingly elected to a second term with the entire nation behind them.

It literally could've been the easiest election to win in history.

[Starver]

Being in the position of being a Wartime President without having started the war...

"Dig For Victory" (or whatever y'all did over there... "Rivet With Rosie" or the like).  But it wouldn't have fit the established narrative, so he couldn't get to anything like "Use your mask, Keep your distance, Look out for each other" if he wanted.

[thompson]

I’m referring to internal border closures intended to prevent geographic spread of the virus so as to pursue a divide-and-conquer type strategy where poor-performing regions don’t jeopardise successful ones. Eliminating the virus in one region is hard. Doing so in every region simultaneously is madness.

No disagreement about the folly of rushing to reopen. Point was: no strategy.

A different administration probably could have prevented it, but they still would have needed a strategy to do it. But I wasn’t really considering the counter factual scenario where the Republicans have sane leadership.

[misko27]

The US policy to lockdowns was penny-wise and pound-foolish. On both the federal level and that of individual states (and often cities), goverments were often either pressured, decided of their own accord, or a combination of both, to delay lockdowns, to keep them as light as possible, and to end them as soon as possible. This constant "shaving" of a day here, a week there, a delay here, a restriction less; all have been paid many times over now.

[MaxTheFox]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_coup

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Not what you think it means.

[Eschar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_coup

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Not what you think it means.

Hopefully we don't get a "see disambiguation page" box at the top of that article anytime soon.

[voliol]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_coup

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Not what you think it means.

Hopefully we don't get a "see disambiguation page" box at the top of that article anytime soon.

This article is about the card game. For the 2020 United States presidential election fraud conspiracy theory, see Stop the Steal.

Kind of disturbing seeing the disambiguation link to a conspiracy theory about Biden, and not Trump’s actual attempts at a coup. It belies the ”Trump coup” title.
But I suppose 1. Trump’s tries are more than a conspiracy theory and 2. that conspiracy theory is his main tool/method for a coup, and thus very relevant to the discussion.

[Sky-Streamer]

About the lockdown conversation, I personally think that we should've been taking a closer eye to countries like Vietnam. They're a country somewhere between first-world and third-world (I'd say second world, but that's a descriptor for former communist countries, whereas Vietnam still is communist, only with some liberal influence nowadays), and only have had about ~1,300 cases and ~30 deaths. It's really impressive, and we should really be looking at what they're doing right.

[nenjin]

About the lockdown conversation, I personally think that we should've been taking a closer eye to countries like Vietnam. They're a country somewhere between first-world and third-world (I'd say second world, but that's a descriptor for former communist countries, whereas Vietnam still is communist, only with some liberal influence nowadays), and only have had about ~1,300 cases and ~30 deaths. It's really impressive, and we should really be looking at what they're doing right.

Or, as the skeptic in me says, suspiciously under-reported.

[Sky-Streamer]

If I may ask, where's your evidence that these numbers are under-reported? Where is your evidence that Vietnam has a history of doing this in the past? A claim like that is - pardon my french - bullshit, without evidence.

[nenjin]

If I may ask, where's your evidence that these numbers are under-reported? Where is your evidence that Vietnam has a history of doing this in the past? A claim like that is - pardon my french - bullshit, without evidence.

My, aren't WE defensive. I said the skeptic in me, and didn't provide any evidence for a reason. But gee, I dunno, maybe every other country in the world, including the US, doing it to save face might be an indication?

Here, let's try this. Where's your proof that Vietnam is a magical realm of no corruption and total honesty? WHY DIDN'T YOU PROVIDE THAT ALONG WITH YOUR POST HHHHHHHRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMM?

Or maybe just chill the fuck out.

[Sky-Streamer]

Dude, it was a joke. Chill the fuck out yaself.
And, I didn't say Vietnam was a 'magical realm of no corruption and total honesty'. The country isn't perfect, no country is. Hell, I'm an anarchist, I fuckin' hate states as a concept.
But there isn't any evidence of Vietnam lying about its numbers of COVID.

I think it's unintentional, but you're pulling a strawman. I simply said that Vietnam is doing good things, and that you need evidence to back up an idea that Vietnam is lying about its COVID count. You made me seem like I was saying it was a 'perfect country', which, no, I'm not. I'm saying it's doing a better job than a global superpower at stopping the current pandemic, and that we should see what it is doing to counter the pandemic.

[nenjin]

"It's was a joke."

"But I'm also calling complete bullshit."

Uh-huh. Welcome to Ameripol, guy who has never posted here before.

[Sky-Streamer]

Thanks.

And, yeah. I made a joke. Pointing that out toooootally counters my entire point. Sure.

But lets try and tone it down. I don't want this to devolve into an argument.