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[Dunamisdeos]

I'm hardly surprised.I feel like compromise was always possible for things like spaced out barriers at key points. Trump just wasn't into anything but 100% winning for himself.

[Hanslanda]

I predict he caves and his cultists say it's part of his 4d chess.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Stupid goddamn Democrats. I knew they were going to randomly give Trump what he wanted, but you'd think that actually winning the first showdown might have taught them something.

[Baffler]

Stupid goddamn Democrats. I knew they were going to randomly give Trump what he wanted, but you'd think that actually winning the first showdown might have taught them something.

This is no victory - I'm willing to bet he won't take the deal. He'd be a fool to sign on to this as it's presented, in fact. That's not enough money to actually do this thing, all it is is cash set aside mainly to replace existing bollard fencing with newer bollard fencing. A paltry 50 miles will actually be coverage where there was none before. And on top of that, it takes out 1/5 of ICE's detention capacity as part of the 'compromise.' I'm willing to bet that Dems know exactly how poisonous it is and this is just a ploy so they can say 'we offered him what he wanted but Trump turned it down' that won't even be voted for if it actually makes it to the floor.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/top-lawmakers-meet-to-revive-stalled-border-talks-with-shutdown-days-away/2019/02/11/3cd0fc1a-2dff-11e9-813a-0ab2f17e305b_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f6d2859900ad
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/12/negotiators-an-agreement-in-principle-to-avoid-government-shutdown.html

[Loud Whispers]

I predict he caves and his cultists say it's part of his 4d chess.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The frog will leap if given a shock,
When thrown in water that's awfully hot.
But bring Pepe to a gradual boil,
And Pepe is all out of luck:
"No I won't get out of the oil,
Because I think you are all cucks."

[Folly]

The number is now in at $1.375b to pay for 55 miles of new border barriers, compared to the $5.7b Trump wanted to pay for 200+ miles of barriers.

I concur with Baffler that Trump will likely refuse this offer; but it should be enough ensure that Trump once again gets all the blame for the shutdown.

[Loud Whispers]

The number is now in at $1.375b to pay for 55 miles of new border barriers, compared to the $5.7b Trump wanted to pay for 200+ miles of barriers.

I concur with Baffler that Trump will likely refuse this offer; but it should be enough ensure that Trump once again gets all the blame for the shutdown.

Not amongst their support base; Trump will just active his reverse Uno card and talk about how the democrats refused to give BILLIANS AND BILLIANS AND BILLIANS of dollars

[sluissa]

Or he'll call it a win, his base will accept it as a win because he says it's a win, and his opponents will continue saying he's lying.

I'm not trying to predict what WILL happen, but it's very possible he takes what they're giving him and spins it in a positive light.

[Baffler]

If he does accept the deal, which again I strongly doubt, he'll most likely push it as 'a good start' and promise to keep pushing for the rest of it. Nobody will be particularly impressed or pleased by it, and it'll certainly be complained about, but the American right is honestly probably desperate enough to accept that so long as the pushing actually does happen. But again, I strongly doubt he'll cave to this when he's rejected more enticing (but still poisonous) deals before. Him "owning" the shutdown seemingly only really matters to the opposition - who will hate him no matter what he does anyway. The previous shutdown does not appear to have significantly affected his approval numbers, at least.

[Lord Shonus]

Rassumen consistently polls far higher (~6-8 percentage points, usually) for Trump than any other major polling source. Even they, however, show that his approval rating tanked during the shutdown and is only now reaching pre-shutdown levels. You can see this effect in a handy chart here

[Trekkin]

This is no victory - I'm willing to bet he won't take the deal. He'd be a fool to sign on to this as it's presented, in fact. That's not enough money to actually do this thing, all it is is cash set aside mainly to replace existing bollard fencing with newer bollard fencing. A paltry 50 miles will actually be coverage where there was none before.

I'm curious: what, at this point, is "this thing?" The Wall has been scaled back in Trump's own rhetoric from an Xty-foot-high reinforced concrete barrier stretching from sea to sea to strategically placed steel barriers anyway, which no one has opposed on principle, only as a matter of maximizing return on investment. Nor is the amount necessarily "paltry" for political reasons; we could reasonably expect the 700+ miles of barrier added in the last 12 years to have been placed as effectively as possible, and there's no real point building walls where nobody's crossing just to say that we're building walls. Perhaps 50 miles is all we're projected to need.

[Folly]

I'm curious: what, at this point, is "this thing?" The Wall has been scaled back in Trump's own rhetoric from an Xty-foot-high reinforced concrete barrier stretching from sea to sea to strategically placed steel barriers anyway, which no one has opposed on principle, only as a matter of maximizing return on investment. Nor is the amount necessarily "paltry" for political reasons; we could reasonably expect the 700+ miles of barrier added in the last 12 years to have been placed as effectively as possible, and there's no real point building walls where nobody's crossing just to say that we're building walls. Perhaps 50 miles is all we're projected to need.

We need the big beautiful wall to stop the caravans and end the crisis. It just doesn't work without the wall. It doesn't. It just doesn't work.

[PTTG??]

Trump's had the brilliant idea of backing down so slowly that it's hard for the disinterested to tell that he's folding like a protein chain.

[JoshuaFH]

Trump's had the brilliant idea of backing down so slowly that it's hard for the disinterested to tell that he's folding like a protein chain.

Bad analogy: protein chains are useful.

[Trekkin]

Trump's had the brilliant idea of backing down so slowly that it's hard for the disinterested to tell that he's folding like a protein chain.

Bad analogy: protein chains are useful.

With few exceptions, they also need to fold in a precise, cooperative manner in order to be useful, and even the intrinsically disordered ones are still predictably so.

So Trump's folding almost entirely unlike a polypeptide.