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[Sheb]

Did she use that money for her primary campaign?

[EnigmaticHat]

Right around the time of the convention, the leaked emails revealed Hillary’s campaign was grabbing money from the state parties for its own purposes, leaving the states with very little to support down-ballot races. A Politico story published on May 2, 2016, described the big fund-raising vehicle she had launched through the states the summer before, quoting a vow she had made to rebuild “the party from the ground up … when our state parties are strong, we win. That’s what will happen.”

Yet the states kept less than half of 1 percent of the $82 million they had amassed from the extravagant fund-raisers Hillary’s campaign was holding, just as Gary had described to me when he and I talked in August. When the Politico story described this arrangement as “essentially … money laundering” for the Clinton campaign, Hillary’s people were outraged at being accused of doing something shady. Bernie’s people were angry for their own reasons, saying this was part of a calculated strategy to throw the nomination to Hillary.

I don't know.  The article strongly, strongly implies that she did, but I guess Donna never says it directly.  It wasn't spent on state or local elections, which was its stated purpose.  And Hillary's campaign got to decide where it was spent.  If you cut out congressional and local elections that only leaves two elections the DNC runs, and they're both for the same position.  So the money could have been spent on Hillary's primary election, Hillary's general election, or... general DNC operations?  Like public relations or computer security.  Although somehow I doubt THOSE things got the money this year...

[Frumple]

She also could and did staff the DNC with supporters.

Though just in case for some reason people are forgetting it, again, "staff the DNC with supporters" is also known as "has been majorly supporting the party for literal decades". Not doing that would have taken purging the party apparatus of much of itself.

...any case, I seriously don't have the energy to get into that mess with the amount of treatment doing so deserves, but I'd definitely recommend taking the words of the person trying to shill their book with a certain degree of salt. Biggest thing I've noticed about junk related to DB and her book is that a lot of what's coming out of it and surrounding comments by her are variously coated in bullshit, or are utter non-news we've known about for a while. There seems to be a bit of opportunistic shit flinging going on.

[sluissa]

She also could and did staff the DNC with supporters.

Though just in case for some reason people are forgetting it, again, "staff the DNC with supporters" is also known as "has been majorly supporting the party for literal decades". Not doing that would have taken purging the party apparatus of much of itself.

...any case, I seriously don't have the energy to get into that mess with the amount of treatment doing so deserves, but I'd definitely recommend taking the words of the person trying to shill their book with a certain degree of salt. Biggest thing I've noticed about junk related to DB and her book is that a lot of what's coming out of it and surrounding comments by her are variously coated in bullshit, or are utter non-news we've known about for a while. There seems to be a bit of opportunistic shit flinging going on.

See guys? We don't even need mainiac. Frumple has gladly taken on that mantle.

 

[Frumple]

Oh, don't worry, I don't have nearly as much energy for this shit as M did. You'll only get the occasional token attempt to pay attention to more than trying to piss on the establishment for the Nth time.

[misko27]

mainiac was something, that's for sure. He was like the resident socialist in a small town in Appalachia or the local conservative in a college town. The guy was an institution. If only he could have kept his shit together and avoided raging so damn much; I think the politics threads are much lesser without him.

So, I'll do something I haven't done in a while and do a news dump.

The Roy Moore sage continues; Mitch McConnell, a noted hater of Moore, has called for him to stand down if the allegations are true. Trump has also taken that line, while everyone's favorite shadow operative Steve Bannon has chosen to compare the accusations to Trump's Access Hollywood tape (I'm wondering how much he thought that one through). Moore seems to be taking Bannon's line, and is using the accusations for fundraising, while it appears that Republicans are stuck with Moore unless he drops out willingly..

Note that the 2018 Senate landscape very strongly leans Republican: relatively few Republicans are defending their seats, and many Democrats are. This generally means a rather low likelihood of Democrats taking the Senate, but incidents like Moore make that much more likely.

Now, a few random pieces of news: The NY Times again had an exclusive interview with Steve Bannon., interesting if you find Bannon interesting and/or terrifying. The Senate and House and formally released both of their Tax bills, but as they have pretty huge differences, it's not clear what the final version will look like. And in wildcard news, former Republican Presidential Nominee Mitt "Everyone's favorite Mormon Politician" Romney is considering a run for the Senate, because why not.

[Helgoland]

Is anyone still in contact with the guy?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

That's one of the interesting things about Bay 12 that I haven't seen replicated much on other forums: there is definitely a robust "shadow community" of people who have been banned but are still semi-connected through their unbanned friends.

[sluissa]

The Roy Moore sage continues; Mitch McConnell, a noted hater of Moore, has called for him to stand down if the allegations are true. Trump has also taken that line, while everyone's favorite shadow operative Steve Bannon has chosen to compare the accusations to Trump's Access Hollywood tape (I'm wondering how much he thought that one through). Moore seems to be taking Bannon's line, and is using the accusations for fundraising, while it appears that Republicans are stuck with Moore unless he drops out willingly..

Note that the 2018 Senate landscape very strongly leans Republican: relatively few Republicans are defending their seats, and many Democrats are. This generally means a rather low likelihood of Democrats taking the Senate, but incidents like Moore make that much more likely.

Now, a few random pieces of news: The NY Times again had an exclusive interview with Steve Bannon., interesting if you find Bannon interesting and/or terrifying. The Senate and House and formally released both of their Tax bills, but as they have pretty huge differences, it's not clear what the final version will look like. And in wildcard news, former Republican Presidential Nominee Mitt "Everyone's favorite Mormon Politician" Romney is considering a run for the Senate, because why not.

The allegations against Moore are a little too convenient, but it'll be interesting to see if they stick. Given what's happening in hollywood right now, it's not a bad tactic to take, but it remains to be seen if the voters are as fickle as media CEOs in abandoning some of their best workers over ancient slights. Given how many people I still hear defending Cosby and the fact that Trump basically DID already get away with similar stuff, it'll be interesting to watch.

As for Romney... meh... Not really a fan of him, but given the current players on the Republican party there's worse people that could jump into the game. He was a gaff machine rivaling Biden... but other than being a little out of touch with normal people, didn't seem particularly evil. Granted, Trump has made me look a lot more favorably upon previous Republican presidential contenders... so it may simply be wishful thinking and nostalgia rather than him being any sort of decent choice.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Romney's economic perspective is no less deplorable than Trump's, Romney is just soft spoken and kept any rapes on the downlow, like Mike Pence. Don't let Trump's boorishness give other right-wing nutjobs a halo effect.

[hector13]

"a little out of touch" is something of an understatement, no?

[EnigmaticHat]

He was the “inevitable candidate” of yesterelection.

[Frumple]

Huh. Y'know, I just noticed the senate tax bill is bad for enough it's caused ted cruz of all people to attempt to explicitly defend cali and new york. Thing shits on urban and suburban folks even harder than the house bill proposes to, apparently.

[hector13]

Maine governor Paul LePage is at it again.

[scriver]

That's from August though. I thought it seemed a bit repetitive of his last escapades when I read it. Probably from when it was brought up here back then