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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6195 on: May 11, 2017, 08:36:20 pm »

To be fair, the non-fox news aligned media has kind of made a huge deal out of almost everything Trump's done since the election, starting with the fact that he took his family out for dinner after winning. Yes... they literally made a big deal out of him eating dinner with his family at a restaurant.

That said, Trump has done more than a few things which are news worthy... so it's not ALL ridiculous.

It's wasn't just any old restraunt, it was in the hotel that he owns, which people made a big deal out of because of the conflict of interest issues with that hotel. Not sure whether you mean after inauguration or right after the election.

Though the media probably made more of a ruckus over it (didn't seem like it was made that huge of an issue) because they weren't allowed to tail him and his family into the restraunt.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6196 on: May 11, 2017, 08:44:22 pm »

To be fair, the non-fox news aligned media has kind of made a huge deal out of almost everything Trump's done since the election, starting with the fact that he took his family out for dinner after winning. Yes... they literally made a big deal out of him eating dinner with his family at a restaurant.

That said, Trump has done more than a few things which are news worthy... so it's not ALL ridiculous.

It's wasn't just any old restraunt, it was in the hotel that he owns, which people made a big deal out of because of the conflict of interest issues with that hotel. Not sure whether you mean after inauguration or right after the election.

Though the media probably made more of a ruckus over it (didn't seem like it was made that huge of an issue) because they weren't allowed to tail him and his family into the restraunt.

Right after the election. Here's a good example:
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/aas-trump-leaves-press-behind-steak-dinner-incoming-admin-already-n684511
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6197 on: May 11, 2017, 08:46:02 pm »

The fact that comet got fired was certainly newsworthy, and I understand the suspicion that it may have been due to the investigation, but the fact that the investigation exists in the first place is because the media screaming and flailing when they found out he won.

It is clear that Russia was most likely in some way behind the dnc leak, but if you ask me, that still makes it the democrats fault they lost. The fact that they have all this Shit hidden away and secrets is what frustrated people. Now. I'm not saying Trump doesn't have secrets, but his demeanor has been so ridiculous that people wouldn't even care if he did something like deleting hundreds of emails. It's kind of strange.


Anyways, thanks for reading (or skimming) my ramblings.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6198 on: May 11, 2017, 09:01:14 pm »

The fact that comet got fired was certainly newsworthy, and I understand the suspicion that it may have been due to the investigation, but the fact that the investigation exists in the first place is because the media screaming and flailing when they found out he won.

It is clear that Russia was most likely in some way behind the dnc leak, but if you ask me, that still makes it the democrats fault they lost. The fact that they have all this Shit hidden away and secrets is what frustrated people. Now. I'm not saying Trump doesn't have secrets, but his demeanor has been so ridiculous that people wouldn't even care if he did something like deleting hundreds of emails. It's kind of strange.
I disagree with your implication that A: Only bad people doing bad things have things worth hiding (how about you show us your emails), and B: That investigating interference with our elections by a foreign power is something that Congress wouldn't be doing in a normal universe (which this, clearly, is not).

For what it's worth, the White House continues its business of making smoke. They're unable to agree on a narrative: the Sanders deputy press secretary laid out an entirely new timeline from what we heard before, what was in the deputy AG's letter, and what Trump, himself, said that very day in the NBC interview. Whatever else the White House may have done, they're definitely guilty of being bunglers.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6199 on: May 11, 2017, 09:11:16 pm »

I have like 9000 unchecked emails. If you want to help me sort them out...
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6200 on: May 11, 2017, 09:46:33 pm »

Trump also hasn't divested himself of his commercial interests, and his regular jaunts to Mar-a-Lago has lined his own pockets at the cost of the taxpayer. I would not find it surprising he's using his position for his own personal gain in other ways, either.

It's only a little bit disgusting.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6201 on: May 11, 2017, 09:47:18 pm »

There are times in my life when I would take you up on that offer, origami. Not today, but there are times...

Also, I was amused:
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Spicer missed the briefings Wednesday and Thursday while on naval reserve duty, but engaged in a heated argument with the Washington Post’s national editor after the newspaper reported he hid in bushes Tuesday night outside the White House after doing a TV hit to defend Trump’s firing.

One White House official said Spicer, who is returning to the podium Friday, seemed more upset about that story than much of the terrible coverage Trump received.

Spicer said late Thursday The Washington Post “falsely described the situation” and “grossly misstated the situation around our attempt to brief the press.”

A person familiar with the press secretary’s location late Tuesday night said Spicer was standing between or behind bushes, but not physically in a bush.

More than 12 hours after the story ran, Spicer eventually secured an editor’s note. “Spicer huddled with his staff among bushes near television sets on the White House grounds, not “in the bushes,” as the story originally stated,” the newspaper wrote.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6202 on: May 11, 2017, 10:10:21 pm »

Alright, alright, let's improve AmeriPol by having a discussion about something not related to any member of the Republican Party, be they Red or Orange. Because just today, Gallup released a new moral issues poll!

Percentage saying the following are morally acceptable:

Birth Control: 91%
Divorce: 73%
Unmarried Sex: 69%
Gambling: 65%
Gay Sex: 63%
Children Outside Of Marriage: 62%
Embryonic Stem Cell Research: 61%
Death Penalty: 58%
Doctor-Assisted Suicide: 57%
Animal Fur Clothing: 57%
Animal Medical Testing: 51%
Abortion: 43%
Teenage Sex: 36%
Pornography: 36%
Cloning Animals: 32%
Suicide: 18%
Polygamy: 17%
Cloning Humans: 14%
Extramarital Affairs: 9%

In addition, not only have none of these issues moved in a more restrictive direction since the last poll, but several of them are at an all time high of permissiveness, and all moved to be more permitted with the exceptions of Extramarital Affairs, Gambling, Birth Control, Abortion, Animal Fur Clothing, and Cloning Animals; all of these remained static.
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6203 on: May 11, 2017, 10:19:12 pm »

They really have to stop inviting Kellyanne Conway onto shows. The latest thing is that she's calling out Anderson Cooper because "sexism".

Basically he had her on his show and asked her about some FBI/Comey related details, and she responded with a non-sequiter where she basically said "well i said we'd win Michigan and you said we wouldn't, I was right, you were wrong SO THERE", to which Anderson Cooper just rolled his eyes.

Now Kellyanne is going "it's sexist! it's sexist! he rolled his eyes at me!"

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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6205 on: May 12, 2017, 12:24:43 am »

First, the low approval of Pornagraphy intrigues me. I want to know more about that statistic; Demographcs etc. Second: I'm surprised Miscegenation isn't on there. Third:
Animal Fur Clothing: 57%
Animal Medical Testing: 51%
Cloning Animals: 32%
I am legitimately baffled. How can more people approve of fur clothing than medical testing? What is this 6% of the population? And why is the scientific consensus (cloning animals is fine, humans is an absolute no-go) be so far from the public consensus (cloning animals is a minority view, cloning humans has half as much as support as cloning animals)?
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Re: AmeriPol thread: Trump fires FBI Dir. Comey, sheneinighans abound
« Reply #6206 on: May 12, 2017, 12:35:54 am »

Could be an anti-science thing. Skinning and wearing animal pelts is a human tradition, testing drugs on them is modernist evolutionist heathenry.

Porn's low approval probably comes from the same interesting dichotomy observed in The Handmaid's Tale: Religious conservatives hate it because it's against the will of god, feminist liberals hate it because it demeans women. Throw in those who consider it fuel for human trafficking and those who are just against any kind of impropriety and you can shave it down to 32%. And all of them look at it anyway.

I too am surprised at the lack of miscegenation, as well as the lack of a total crazy option like slavery. A Gallup poll from 2013 put miscegenation at 87%, they may have decided that settled it as a dead issue and stopped asking. Though it may also just be the poll format, I don't remember the last moral issue poll having it either.

Alternatively, everything is being caused by the Lizardman's Constant.
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« Reply #6207 on: May 12, 2017, 12:36:08 am »

Animal fur's a weird one to start with. Are we talking about an endangered species or a feral pest? It's a different answer depending on which animal your talking about.

Similar with animal medical testing. Is it actual medical testing, or cosmetics etc.
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« Reply #6208 on: May 12, 2017, 12:41:39 am »

Given that the question is "Do you approve of the use of animals in medical testing?", I should think the answer is clear, unless you have been severely breaking the manufacturer's recommendation on eyeliner and lipstick. 
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« Reply #6209 on: May 12, 2017, 12:42:42 am »

Porn basically came under fire from a double serving of both Religious Fundamentalism and then the same arguments were branded under Feminism (Which isn't anything new, people often try to argue their opinions based on different ideologies. There is a reason why Conservatives AND Liberals hate sex)

It is the reason why 50 Shades became popular.

Currently the stigma against porn is still there... But it is nowhere as intense, and the Feminist angle has been phased back into Religious Fundamentalism. MOSTLY because Feminism has moved on itself as it becomes more popular with the female generation.
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