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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #51420 on: August 11, 2023, 09:15:18 am »

Um,dear friends who are enthusiastic and care about the policies of the USA , I'd love to ask something about the position of the drug control policies.
That was because I had just seen a TV show presented by hulu called the Dopesick , firstly I would love to say that it was quite a meaningful and educative TV show I had ever seen,especially for the freshmen who are going to enter the pharmaceutical field , quite shocked by the sins of the Sackler family and feeling pity about the misery of oxycontin abusers  , this TV show desicively modeled my values . Still, words failed to express my honer and gratitude to the producers of the TV show.
However as the TV shows the opioid drugs make the whole country became a heaven for the drugsters, it is quitely frighting! Just as what the We medias shows that the USA is so weak in controlling the drug abuse without the help of China.I am still wondering whether there exsited some exaggerate descriptions just as what the medias often do here in China? What is the truth about the USA's drug control policies?
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« Reply #51421 on: August 11, 2023, 09:49:22 am »

(According to some reliable-looking information across various US news/government sites, probably none of which which our friend above will have access to so I'm not even bothering to copy the various URLs across, there was a major shift to producing Oxycontin in China(+Russia, Turkey and elsewhere) in 2011. I'm not on the ground in the US, myself, so hardly feel myself responsible for relating the States-side view of this issue (which I have of course heard much about, through my own local media), but I'm wondering what help China could (or would) have given. It may be rampant commercialism, but not sure that's any worse than the systems rampant within China. Which probably are also happy to commercially export anything to anyone that isn't internally detrimental to itself. The problem of 'product-sponsored doctors' is of course the wedge in the door, in the US system, but hardly a uniquely perfidious system of systematic manipulation of clinical healthcare, by whatever source or authority.)
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« Reply #51422 on: August 11, 2023, 11:38:47 am »

The Pharmaceutical Companies really pushed hard on the medical industry to prescribe painkillers, and the government largely turned a blind eye to the abusive relationship between phrama and doctors until it became an epidemic.

My take is, the US' drug control policy revolves around who makes money off it. If drugs are produced by "legitimate" businesses that have lobbyists and pay for campaign contributions, it's fairly permissive. If drugs are produced by people that aren't businesses or corporations and therefore don't contribute politically or lobby for protection, the US government will crack down on it until a "legitimate" business steps in to fill the void.
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« Reply #51423 on: August 11, 2023, 11:46:33 am »

Exception there being the massive swath of racist horseshit that historically informed the creation and especially enforcement of our drug laws, and still very, very strongly influences them. That stuff gets much less permissive when it's the wrong sort of people using or producing it, regardless as to if the business involved is (or was, up until criminalization) legitimate and profitable or not.

It's a fucking nasty morass of interaction between capitalist greed and lingering bigotry, basically. Largely better than it was a few decades ago, but as with a lot of things, that still leaves the new bar being cleared somewhere deep underground :-\
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« Reply #51424 on: August 11, 2023, 01:17:28 pm »

Um,dear friends who are enthusiastic and care about the policies of the USA , I'd love to ask something about the position of the drug control policies.
That was because I had just seen a TV show presented by hulu called the Dopesick , firstly I would love to say that it was quite a meaningful and educative TV show I had ever seen,especially for the freshmen who are going to enter the pharmaceutical field , quite shocked by the sins of the Sackler family and feeling pity about the misery of oxycontin abusers  , this TV show desicively modeled my values . Still, words failed to express my honer and gratitude to the producers of the TV show.
However as the TV shows the opioid drugs make the whole country became a heaven for the drugsters, it is quitely frighting! Just as what the We medias shows that the USA is so weak in controlling the drug abuse without the help of China.I am still wondering whether there exsited some exaggerate descriptions just as what the medias often do here in China? What is the truth about the USA's drug control policies?

Right now, the biggest drug issue in the US is opioids. For a long time, legitimate medical personnel were heavily overprescribing due to pressure from the drug manufacturers (this has resulted in a massive lawsuit that the US Supreme Court just refused to block), and this overprescribing resulted in widespread addiction. The primary attempt to fight this involved aggressive rules on pharmacies and doctors to cut off the source of legitimate opioids, which has greatly reduced the increase in addiction. However, the large number of existing addicts have turned to the illegal black market.

This is a great problem because, unlike legitimate drugs for the prescription market, drugs on the black market very rarely contain what they say they do. The vast majority of the "heroin" or "oxycotin" you buy on the illegal market is either adulterated or entirely composed of fentanyl derivatives. Fentanyl can be illegally imported in massive quantities from China with relative ease, and is so incredibly potent (to the point where the lethal dosage is on par with chemical weapons) that it is incredibly easy for a careless distributor or one working with shoddy equipment to compound mixtures that are lethally potent. It is worth noting that when it is mixed to correct doses by trained professionals in proper clinical settings, Fentanyl is basically a wonder drug -  a highly effective painkiller that carries a fairly low addiction risk when used carefully. It is particularly popular with pediatric doctors because the potency allows it to be compounded into candies and such that a child in severe pain is more likely to accept than a pill or shot.


And yeah, it's bad. Really bad. At least a dozen, possibly two, people that I know have been cut down by overdoses in the last five years. And that's only the people that I have some loose contact with. If you extend it to all the people I used to know but have fallen out of contact with, I am certain that the number will grow far higher.
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« Reply #51425 on: August 11, 2023, 02:38:48 pm »

The American drug crisis seems a bit like a reversal of the situation in China in the 18th century where western countries were selling opium to the Chinese, fueling a massive addiction crisis that led to a war to stop the flow of opium into the country.  Only now it's fentanyl, in the other direction, and I seriously doubt there will be any efforts to stop the flow.  Much if urban California looks like a post apocalyptic nightmare because of it, and the people in charge seem content to enable yet more and easier drug use.
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« Reply #51426 on: August 11, 2023, 09:20:41 pm »

Trump won't sign Loyalty Pledge, under current rules is disqualified from first Republican debate.
My crystal ball says that provision will likely be ignored or modified. Then again, at least a few Republicans would be happy to lose Mr. Indictment from their debate.
I did find this kinda funny: “I'd like to do it. I’ve actually gotten very good marks on debating talents,” Trump said on Wednesday. “They want a smart president. They want somebody that’s going to be smart.”

"Mesa smart, since I use smart twice." That is typically how Trump talks, so that dumb people feel smart by agreeing with him

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« Reply #51427 on: August 12, 2023, 12:25:59 am »

Trump has demonstrated, time and time again, that he holds no loyalty to anyone save himself. Whatever this pledge is, refusing to sign it is probably the most honest course of action he could have taken.

Yes, I know, "Trump" and "honesty" are a nearly unheard-of pairing, but there it goes.
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« Reply #51428 on: August 12, 2023, 12:44:44 am »

Honestly I'm hoping Trump gets the boot and forms his own party. Splitting the Rep vote would be a delicious case of self-harm from the party that made him possible.
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« Reply #51429 on: August 12, 2023, 01:19:49 am »

Trump has demonstrated, time and time again, that he holds no loyalty to anyone save himself. Whatever this pledge is, refusing to sign it is probably the most honest course of action he could have taken.

It's not about honesty. He needs to maintain the image that his failure is impossible, because that's what keeps his supporters around. If he wins then his invincible image is reinforced. If he loses, then he will sound more credible when he claims that the vote was rigged and stolen from him.
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« Reply #51430 on: August 12, 2023, 05:24:46 am »

Here is an article about Fentanyl that I read today.

Fast, cheap and deadly
How fentanyl replaced heroin and hooked America
https://www.reuters.com/graphics/MEXICO-DRUGS/FENTANYL/dwvkadblovm/
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« Reply #51431 on: August 12, 2023, 08:32:31 am »

Whatever this pledge is, refusing to sign it is probably the most honest course of action he could have taken.
Reminds me that I basically ignored anything like "I am an honest person" on CVs (a.k.a. Resumés) as selling points, and would never have put that down myself. (Something elsewhere such as having been a keyholder for a prior employer's offices means so much more, at least as long as there's no suspicion that this was a problem in the run up to their departure).

As the logical inverse to the "all men are liars" paradox (properly formulated), it means nothing.


That said, a pledge surely comes with recourse should the pledge be broken. Not sure what... at least in ways that matters... but it's not gonna be "well, because you were straightforwardly deceitful at all times we can only suck it up and have a laugh about it later". Of course, different edges of the party will consider this either "Jenius" or at covfefe-levels of being a non-understandable stance. I think everyone knows that he wants the Republican party to be his (rather than for him to be merely part of the party), whether that's a matter of hope or fear for the individuals concerned. And I wouldn'r he surprised if the original aim was to get to the stage of being like Kim or Putin basically being the tail to wag their respective dogs (and nobody bats an eyelash, on pain of pain), if it weren't for those pesky kids Democrats/Courts/etc... Cult of personality. (Or a word like "Cult". If it weren't a disservice to many others to even think of using it in this context.)
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« Reply #51432 on: August 12, 2023, 01:50:14 pm »

Ultimately, Trump's refusal to sign the pledge is more about his refusal to bound by any law or agreement more than anything else.

I'm sure Chris Christie has ZERO qualms about signing such a pledge and then breaking every last provision.

Best way to interpret Trump's refusal is "Ha Ha, you can't make me. Suck it Trebek GOP"

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« Reply #51433 on: August 12, 2023, 02:10:26 pm »

Chris Christie wants a job in a new administration, no chance he doesn’t support the nominee, even if it’s Trump.
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« Reply #51434 on: August 13, 2023, 07:15:44 am »

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