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Author Topic: Height of dwarves and other main races in feet, please?  (Read 4896 times)

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Height of dwarves and other main races in feet, please?
« on: November 29, 2016, 11:34:50 pm »

Dwarves, elves, and goblins are 60,000 cm to the 3rd power, while humans are 70,000 cm to the 3rd power.
Could somebody please convert these heights to feet?

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Re: Height of dwarves and other main races in feet, please?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2016, 12:49:42 am »

Huh.

Firstly: There are many converters like this around on the web.

Secondly, 60000 cm is somehow.... an odd wrongness. That's 600m, or a touch over 656 yards to you Americans. Cubed... well, something 600m to a side, or 600m3 is not what I'd describe as dwarfish, put it that way.

Or am I reading this wrongly. If you're using European decimal points, and dwarves are 60.000cm3....? No. Now it's too small. Humans aren't 70cm (less than a yard) high, they're usually between 1.5 and 2m high, which is 150-200cm, or . Hmm.

I feel compelled to ask, where is this info from? The RAW files somewhere? Am I missing something? Now I'm damn curious too!
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Re: Height of dwarves and other main races in feet, please?
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2016, 04:12:34 am »

He spelled out "to the 3rd power" instead of writing cm^3 or cm3.

These are volumes, not heights. I think you'd have to ask Toady One just how tall (on average) they are, because I don't think the necessary information exists in the game.
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Re: Height of dwarves and other main races in feet, please?
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2016, 11:48:17 am »

Oh, they are volumes.

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Re: Height of dwarves and other main races in feet, please?
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2016, 08:04:34 pm »

And since organic density is roughly same as water, can translate that as humans ~70kg, kobolds 25kg, dwarves, goblins, elves 60kg.

A feet is about 31,2 cm, I guess, so it'd be 1,97555...feet^3 for dwarves and 2,3048...feet^3 for humans. Obviously, humans are not perfect cubes, so they're taller than they're wide. Maybe

It doesn't really model different body part shapes beyond modifying the size of the body. A leg is a leg, it may give more meat if the creature was larger, but it doesn't give you more melee reach (though the weight does make the impacts heavier).
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Re: Height of dwarves and other main races in feet, please?
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2016, 09:40:40 pm »

A feet is about 31,2 cm, I guess, so it'd be 1,97555...feet^3 for dwarves and 2,3048...feet^3 for humans.
Calculating directly from Google:
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Re: Height of dwarves and other main races in feet, please?
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2017, 05:20:13 am »

I saw someone had made size comparisons on the DF wiki, but I don't know how he made those, or what he used. I think a calculator, where you can put in a humanoid shape, and then put in the volume could work.
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Re: Height of dwarves and other main races in feet, please?
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2017, 06:09:29 am »

A BMI table can tell you healthy weights for humans of certain heights.

Dwarves, elves, and goblins are all about 60000 cubic centimeters, which means they should be about 60kg.  An average 60kg human is about 165cm or 5 feet 5 inches; a bit slight for an adult humanl but not abnormally so.  I would assume that elves are probably about this size.  Dwarves are presumably shorter and squatter but we don't know how much; the game gives them identical proportions (aside from the dwarven liver, which is 3 times bigger).  Goblins are anyone's guess.

Kobolds are 20kg on average, which is a typical weight for a 6 year old human (or a medium to large sized dog).  With more or less human proportions, that would make them around 3 feet tall.

Let us not forget that while these are average sizes, individuals from any species may vary significantly in both height and weight.

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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2017, 02:24:43 pm »

A BMI table can tell you healthy weights for humans of certain heights.

Dwarves, elves, and goblins are all about 60000 cubic centimeters, which means they should be about 60kg.  An average 60kg human is about 165cm or 5 feet 5 inches; a bit slight for an adult humanl but not abnormally so.  I would assume that elves are probably about this size.  Dwarves are presumably shorter and squatter but we don't know how much; the game gives them identical proportions (aside from the dwarven liver, which is 3 times bigger).  Goblins are anyone's guess.

Kobolds are 20kg on average, which is a typical weight for a 6 year old human (or a medium to large sized dog).  With more or less human proportions, that would make them around 3 feet tall.

Let us not forget that while these are average sizes, individuals from any species may vary significantly in both height and weight.

Humans can't wear clothes made for elves or dwarves though, they're too small. My guess is that elves are taller but extremely slight, while dwarves are shorter and wider as you say.
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Re: Height of dwarves and other main races in feet, please?
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2017, 07:51:54 pm »

But can elves wear dwarvish clothing? Or dwarves elven?

(I know that elven clothing used to be displayed as "narrow X", just like how human clothing would be displayed as "large X" or similar. I don't know if this is the case anymore.)
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Re: Height of dwarves and other main races in feet, please?
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2017, 08:19:37 pm »

But can elves wear dwarvish clothing? Or dwarves elven?

(I know that elven clothing used to be displayed as "narrow X", just like how human clothing would be displayed as "large X" or similar. I don't know if this is the case anymore.)
That hasn't been the case for a long time.
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Re: Height of dwarves and other main races in feet, please?
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2017, 08:39:48 pm »

Humans can't wear clothes made for elves or dwarves though, they're too small. My guess is that elves are taller but extremely slight, while dwarves are shorter and wider as you say.

That seems to be the intention, with Elves and I believe Goblins being tagged as "narrow" back in the day.
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2017, 08:45:40 pm »

Humans can't wear clothes made for elves or dwarves though, they're too small. My guess is that elves are taller but extremely slight, while dwarves are shorter and wider as you say.

If dwarves are anything like standard RPG dwarves, they're quite dense.  This isn't really a safe assumption, though, as they seem to have little difficulty swimming in at least up to 6/7 water, which is a whole z level.  So I would imagine humans --> elves --> dwarves in terms of height, although elves would be somewhat taller and more willowy while dwarves would be somewhat more compact, albeit more burly.

The fact that we know how tall humans are, to some approximate degree, and that they are 70,000 cm^3 and elves and dwarves both 60,000 cm^3 would at least somewhat constrain their possible heights.

I'll note on the few occasions I've seen elves specifically mention dwarf physiology, they describe them with language like "your stunted kind," which seems to indicate they are taller than dwarves (in addition to being smellier and dumber and more pointlessly rude).
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Re: Height of dwarves and other main races in feet, please?
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2017, 05:42:56 am »

Clothing in general makes no sense right now, as it is simply based on the average volumr of the species rather than the size, let alone proportions, of an individual.  Children wear the same clothes as adults, and a large elf may be bigger than a small human but still will consider their clothes "large".  So I wouldn't use clothing as any kind of evidence.

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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2017, 05:36:14 pm »

Maybe clothing is an indicator of how their bodies are shaped?
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