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Total Members Voted: 4

[Micro102]

I think underwater nations need less territory than surface nations. Their national units will crush any indies that another player might recruit to take an underwater province, but they usually have the ability to take and hold land provinces. Ermor might be able to be an exception to this making Italica a good choice, but that means no one else can be added to the game. Are we done accepting people?

[Sean Mirrsen]

I could conceivably switch to Oceania. They're a bit like a more boring underwater Pangaea, anyway.

[ThtblovesDF]

Hey Oceania is great, it won me a game ; ) (Mostly just politics actually, but whatever)

Anyway, Tears of Heaven is great then, its 13 provinces (rounded down) for each land Nation (7) and 15 for the one Water Nation (94 land + 15 sea.)

Since the two country sides are seperated heavly by water, it makes most people want to cross it in one way or another, which aids that project.

Again, as a non-competetive force, I'd be like a slightly more dangerous indi force you can hire to mind hunt your enemys.

[Shadowgandor]

I'm sorry guys but I think it's better if I not join. I just realized I'll be gone for a couple times in the coming weeks, and very busy even when I'm at home. Maybe some other time!

[Anvilfolk]

I think I'll take Caelum?

[AlStar]

Hmm... if  Shadowgandor is pulling out, I could potentially join in to keep you at 8 players (since it looks like most, if not all, of the world is trying to exterminate me in 422.)

I don't know the middle age nations all that well - what are the 'gimped' nations? I'm probably experienced enough that I should pick one of those.

[chaoticag]

Let's see, pretty sure Abyssia counts. So does Marignon to an extent. Both have diversity problems. Those are the two off the top of my head.

Shinuyama and Asphodel possibly?

[ThtblovesDF]

Thanks for joining AlStar, the nations chaoticag mentioned are pretty much on point. Otherwise, simply "leave" 100 design points blank - this seems to be the most flexible way to gimp yourself and still play a nation you enjoy afterall.

I put up a poll for maps, but if you have another one in mind, tell me and we'll add it. People can change the vote after voting.

*E: I'd like to start at or before friday, the weekend could be good to get a bunch of turns in.

[Sean Mirrsen]

So, if we end up with Tears of Heavens and need an UW nation, I guess I'll be Oceania. I'll be an F/W major-blessed Oceania, and it will be a total fustercluck and I'll lose horribly, but I do believe it will be fun.

[chaoticag]

I'm up for there being a gang war between r'lyeh and Oceania. I did end up voting for tears of heaven too. Though yeah, underwater nations in that case will need to achieve landfall.

[ThtblovesDF]

It'll be ugly, but as I stated, I will not be hyper competetive or even have winning as my goal. Maybe we can come to a aggreement - I also played Oceania in previous MPgames, so I have to say, they are quite a powerhouse if left alone.

I'll host later today and let ya'll know.

Ok, so Tear of Heavens is specifically made for 1 water nation start, but I'll test to see what happens with 2 water nations. Here is the map text anyway:

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94 land + 15 sea.
Fixed start positions: 6 land starts and 1 sea starts.
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94 land + 15 sea.
Fixed start positions: 6 land starts and 1 sea starts.

Tear of Heavens (v2) by Elmokki.

This map has random fixed start locations for 6 Land nations and 1 Water nation. (based on v2 of the map).

There are at least 4 provinces between each Land start (note this does not include Sailing). So that is X-1-2-3-4-X. Each starting location has between 4-6 neighbouring provinces, and where it is only 4 at least two of them will be either Forests or Mountains. There are no Forest starts.

Edit: This happens if you have 2x UW nations.

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So I don't feel like we need 2, if we stick with this map. If you prefer water, Sean, I can switch, I'm really not bound.


Edit 3:

I searched the web and found a version with better starts:

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Saildistance is 1 btw.

Settle on your picks and we can get started.

Map:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/v0jtnsucpfodfcw/Tears%20of%20Heaven.zip?dl=0

Alright, game has started and we are good to go. - I added a help section in the first post for our new players, best of luck to everyone!

[Sean Mirrsen]

I'm not specifically fond of the idea of having to share 15 provinces between two UW nations. We'd both have to immediately occupy land. And I do like Pangaea's dryads more than Oceania's sirens. On the other hand, if I crush you I'll have the seas to myself. On the other other hand, letting R'lyeh loose in the sea is not my idea of a great idea. Decisions, decisions.

edit: I flipped a coin, and I guess I will be Oceania after all. This will be a glorious fustercluck.

[ThtblovesDF]

It'll be pretty harsh - I checked a few more times and sometimes the game just puts you in that really bad middle sea. We'll start with our current setup anyway, if I land in that puddle, thats fine as I don't intend to do much anyway - It'll be harsh, since the land nations get a average of 16 Land provinces each, with 2 uw nations around, but often single land nations will dominate far more - and being the bridge between the two nations, the water will be contested sooner or later.

If you end up in the puddle in the north, we'll restart Sean.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Oceania should actually be pretty fine in a puddle. There's a grand total of one recruitable commander that can't leave water by default, and that's fixable in short order via a shambler skin hauberk or an amulet of the fish.

Also what "north"? The map wraps in all directions.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Aw. Dammit, why. :|

I found an edge wrap coloring error on the map, and now I'll never be able to not look at it.
edit: I edited it! I'm not sure if using a different map image impacts the multiplayer game any, but if it doesn't and you want to be spared the tiny annoyance, here it is.

In other news, I tried a few times (emulating our setup via 6 random AIs, one R'lyeh AI and one Oceania me) and the game staunchly refused to put me into the puddle. It's probably not totally random.