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Author Topic: Gender/sexuality etc. - What Even Is A Gender Anyway  (Read 140189 times)

Edmus

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Re: Gender/sexuality etc. - Freud is WATCHING YOU, *eyebrow waggle*
« Reply #1035 on: December 06, 2016, 08:21:09 pm »

I linked an article a few pages back that claimed therapy methods are quite effective for getting gender confused children to accept their sex assigned gender. There were follow up studies of a controversial 'conversion' clinic that wound up shut down.
That said, I was flipping through an old book on homosexuality and they claimed the same then.

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Here it is:
https://thewalrus.ca/growing-up-trans/
« Last Edit: December 06, 2016, 08:25:21 pm by Edmus »
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Re: Gender/sexuality etc. - Freud is WATCHING YOU, *eyebrow waggle*
« Reply #1036 on: December 06, 2016, 09:06:54 pm »

Electroshock therapy, as opposed to psychological therapy, definitely doesn't work.

That said, I don't disagree with scientifically grounded decisions.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2016, 09:10:50 pm by TheBiggerFish »
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Re: Gender/sexuality etc. - Freud is WATCHING YOU, *eyebrow waggle*
« Reply #1037 on: December 06, 2016, 09:09:45 pm »

I'm pretty certain it builds up an extreme adverse reaction. I remember having to use this one double door that had bristles on the inner bit, and every time they opened and closed this built up static-charge on the metal poles that were the handles. So every time you reached to open the door, you got shocked
Of course you'd never not use the door, as you are capable of overriding your hesitation
But damn is it annoying when your own body involuntarily hesitates

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Re: Gender/sexuality etc. - Freud is WATCHING YOU, *eyebrow waggle*
« Reply #1038 on: December 07, 2016, 02:44:22 am »

Electroshock therapy, as opposed to psychological therapy, definitely doesn't work.

You are saying electroshock therapy doesn't work in this context (hay conversation purposes), and not as a general rule, correct?
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Re: Gender/sexuality etc. - Freud is WATCHING YOU, *eyebrow waggle*
« Reply #1039 on: December 07, 2016, 04:17:32 am »

I linked an article a few pages back that claimed therapy methods are quite effective for getting gender confused children to accept their sex assigned gender. There were follow up studies of a controversial 'conversion' clinic that wound up shut down.
That said, I was flipping through an old book on homosexuality and they claimed the same then.

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Here it is:
https://thewalrus.ca/growing-up-trans/
Oh yeah, that article was really good, actually. Thanks for that.

It raised some good points on both sides, and didn't stay biased to one argument.
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Re: Gender/sexuality etc. - Philosophical Asparagus
« Reply #1040 on: December 07, 2016, 01:14:23 pm »

with rape, penetration happens
Old quote, but I must ask: If someone is wielding a sword on their groin and stabs someone, is that considered rape?
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Re: Gender/sexuality etc. - Freud is WATCHING YOU, *eyebrow waggle*
« Reply #1041 on: December 07, 2016, 02:36:45 pm »

Electroshock therapy, as opposed to psychological therapy, definitely doesn't work.

You are saying electroshock therapy doesn't work in this context (hay conversation purposes), and not as a general rule, correct?
Correct.  Although I'm certainly not sure of anywhere else it would work.
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Re: Gender/sexuality etc. - Philosophical Asparagus
« Reply #1042 on: December 07, 2016, 04:57:09 pm »

with rape, penetration happens
Old quote, but I must ask: If someone is wielding a sword on their groin and stabs someone, is that considered rape?
...wielding a sword...

...with their dick...

...why does that sound familiar?
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Re: Gender/sexuality etc. - Freud is WATCHING YOU, *eyebrow waggle*
« Reply #1043 on: December 07, 2016, 04:58:21 pm »

with rape, penetration happens
Old quote, but I must ask: If someone is wielding a sword on their groin and stabs someone, is that considered rape?
...wielding a sword...

...with their dick...

...why does that sound familiar?

tonnot98 didn't say they were male, obviously it's a strap-on sword.
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Re: Gender/sexuality etc. - Freud is WATCHING YOU, *eyebrow waggle*
« Reply #1044 on: December 08, 2016, 12:43:22 am »

Electroshock therapy, as opposed to psychological therapy, definitely doesn't work.

You are saying electroshock therapy doesn't work in this context (hay conversation purposes), and not as a general rule, correct?
Correct.  Although I'm certainly not sure of anywhere else it would work.
Notes in BioPsychology. It works in a therapeutic way with people who have...and I forgot my notes here :V...something that can be aided in the brain with low jolts (I forgot and remember only the gist :V) of energy.

Obviously not working with this stupid thing called conversion therapy. Because wow. That's dumb. :^
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Re: Gender/sexuality etc. - Freud is WATCHING YOU, *eyebrow waggle*
« Reply #1045 on: December 08, 2016, 01:17:30 am »

Electroshock therapy, as opposed to psychological therapy, definitely doesn't work.

You are saying electroshock therapy doesn't work in this context (hay conversation purposes), and not as a general rule, correct?
Correct.  Although I'm certainly not sure of anywhere else it would work.
Notes in BioPsychology. It works in a therapeutic way with people who have...and I forgot my notes here :V...something that can be aided in the brain with low jolts (I forgot and remember only the gist :V) of energy.

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Re: Gender/sexuality etc. - Freud is WATCHING YOU, *eyebrow waggle*
« Reply #1046 on: December 08, 2016, 02:43:21 am »

Yeah, modern electrotherapy is generally not the kind of horrible locked-in-an-electric-chair mad-science-psychology pop culture likes to pretend it is.
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Re: Gender/sexuality etc. - Freud is WATCHING YOU, *eyebrow waggle*
« Reply #1047 on: December 08, 2016, 10:06:01 am »

Is there any purple?  :o
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Re: Gender/sexuality etc. - Freud is WATCHING YOU, *eyebrow waggle*
« Reply #1048 on: December 09, 2016, 02:54:39 am »

Yeah, modern electrotherapy is generally not the kind of horrible locked-in-an-electric-chair mad-science-psychology pop culture likes to pretend it is.
I mean, when used in the proper way for the right disorders it's definitely really good.
However, even in the 70s and 80s conversion therapy camps still used electric shocks combined with images of erotic images to create an aversion reaction. Because some of these people are literal comic book villains, apparently.

Yeah, I figured that could be the case, which is why I wanted the distinguishment from tbf.


Is there any purple?  :o

I can't see any either.

...I'm beginning to suspect that is the point ;)
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Re: Gender/sexuality etc. - Freud is WATCHING YOU, *eyebrow waggle*
« Reply #1049 on: December 11, 2016, 12:52:03 am »

Is there any purple?  :o

I can't see any either.

...I'm beginning to suspect that is the point ;)
Either it's my eyesight, laptop, or the lighting, but I think I see a tiny speck of purple below Pennsylvania? I forgot the name of that state below it. >_<
Source for easier browsing? :D

Also conversion therapy @LGBT folks is dum :v
Could I ask the history of it please? We've never believed it in this country or as far as I and all those I've asked or been with in religious/psych fields have known. Or practiced it. :v
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