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[misko27]

edit: Removed it again.  Less likely to be repeated now.

That's one way of putting it. Damn Toady, laying down the hammer.

Gender is relevant so long as people identify by it. And trying to tell people not to identify as certain stuff is what brought up the thing anyway.

This is worth remembering even if it is decided that Gender is totally arbitrary or whatever. Race is, as a scientific concept, completely bankrupt. But we still go around talking in terms of "White" and "Black", because even if there isn't an intrinsic difference, until people actually start ignoring race, its still there.

This is sort of off topic, but why did guys suddenly start calling women they're potentially interested in "females?"

I have no idea. I don't even know if I do it, but I don't think I do, because I hear a lot of complaints about it (it is weird). I usually use "girls", because "women" seems too adult for my age-group (I don't really think of myself as a "man" either, even though I've been one for a little while now).

[TempAcc]

HELLO HUMANS I TOO AM HUMAN LET US PARTAKE IN HUMAN CONVERSATION

As the most progressive being ever, I call everyone "creature" regardless of their gender. You silly creatures.

Anyway, so long as gender is perceived as a spectrum, I doubt the idea of "genderless" people will ever be taken seriously. You can't really be outside the spectrum without being some sort of horrible mutant or extradimensional entity, WHICH I AM CERTAINLY NOT, DEAR HUMANS, LET US PARTAKE IN HUMAN CONVERSATION AT A FURTHER 4TH DIMENSIONAL BUBBLE.

[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

I've found that a good analogy for genderlessness is that it is like being bald. You don't have a hair colour, so baldness isn't a hair colour per se, but since it occupies the hair colour "slot", it can be considered to be a sort-of hair colour.

Of course that's not perfect, as most bald people used to have hair, and then there's pubic no.

[Rolan7]

I guess...
Though I'm increasingly sick of caring about gender at all.  "Bald" takes a lot of maintenance, whereas genderfluid (for me) is just "whatever, I don't care, I'm not even going to say anything unless asked.  And then I'll say just say what they want to hear, or admit that I don't care."

[Caz]

I hit on obviously lesbian females all the time, but the social dynamic changes when their preference is bought up.
For some people sticking to their preference is priority over pleasurable experiences despite being mutaly and sexualy attracted.

I don't get this. You hit on lesbians (assuming you're a guy) and then wonder why they 'stick to their preference despite being sexually attracted'? Surely if they're homosexual they uh, wouldn't be attracted to you?

[Caz]

But I simply can't imagine a gender that is not connected in some way to the male-female "anchors." Cisgender, transgender are each on an anchor. Genderlessness isn't even on the graph, it's not a gender. Everything else I've seen is like "demifemale" or "hemidemisemifemale", which is "halfway from one to the other."

Or if gender itself is a combination of multiple traits that go from F to M, and if you have mostly M then you're male, then we're still stuck to the F/M anchors.

Agreed. Imo gender is the mental/societal aspect of the physical sex, and you only get male/female/intersex in human bodies. Gender has to follow the same spectrum otherwise we're doing stupid tumblr things like identifying as pudding. Though that would be tasty.

[Catmeat]

I don't get this. You hit on lesbians (assuming you're a guy) and then wonder why they 'stick to their preference despite being sexually attracted'? Surely if they're homosexual they uh, wouldn't be attracted to you?

Sure you can assume.

[TheBiggerFish]

I guess...
Though I'm increasingly sick of caring about gender at all.  "Bald" takes a lot of maintenance, whereas genderfluid (for me) is just "whatever, I don't care, I'm not even going to say anything unless asked.  And then I'll say just say what they want to hear, or admit that I don't care."

That sounds more like agender?  Or at least gender-apathetic.

[Catmeat]

It reads more like a statement to myself.

I've been with lesbians, though when their preference is aired they usually snap back to being 'true' lesbian and nothing comes of it.
The other coin flip, is I've woken up to women saying that they dont sleep with guys and it was a one time thing for fun.
So I assumed that most people are Bi, but let their opinions get in the way.
* Equips full plate
Ok im ready for the megabeast corrections

[Neonivek]

I hit on obviously lesbian females all the time, but the social dynamic changes when their preference is bought up.
For some people sticking to their preference is priority over pleasurable experiences despite being mutaly and sexualy attracted.

I don't get this. You hit on lesbians (assuming you're a guy) and then wonder why they 'stick to their preference despite being sexually attracted'? Surely if they're homosexual they uh, wouldn't be attracted to you?

I am just trying to think of this from the Lesbian's point of view ASSUMING that the "I am attracted to you" is true and not an inference.

I am being hit on by some guy and ok yeah he is charming and I am getting a little attracted... Maybe...

"You're gay right?"

Me: "UGH!!!... Never freeken mind..."

"Hey come on, you are clearly attracted to me, why are you sticking to being gay when you know it will be great being with me"

Me: "If I was straight... I think I'd convert to homosexuality."

I dunno... Your attitude is repulsive... As in... It repulses me sexually.

[Catmeat]

I never ask anyones sexuality or gender, i really dont care, Im a whore for love.
No it usually is brought up by the other party(s)
I like how im a rude person all of a sudden

[Neonivek]

I never ask anyones sexuality or gender, i really dont care, Im a whore for love.
No it usually is brought up by the other party(s)
I like how im a rude person all of a sudden

Sorry

"I'm gay"

"That's alright baaaby, we can just look past it and have a good time"

"No"

"Why you holding onto it. Don't you know a good time? You can go right back to gay afterwards"

[Urist McScoopbeard]

two cents incoming: Seems like most people are attracted to both genders naturally, but repress those feelings after being exposed to societal norms and any given value system. Not to mention a whole range of fucked up things that can ruin people's sexuality for life from the seemingly innocuous lack of early sexual exploration to inflicted trauma.

EDIT: Also, Neonivek: chill, dawg. Flirting is something that everyone does... pretty much with everyone else for that matter, regardless of sexuality.

[Neonivek]

two cents incoming: Seems like most people are attracted to both genders naturally, but repress those feelings after being exposed to societal norms and any given value system. Not to mention a whole range of fucked up things that can ruin people's sexuality for life from the seemingly innocuous lack of early sexual exploration to inflicted trauma.

The thing is... Sexual Attraction isn't enough for sexual intercourse alone. Sexual attraction is a lot like a sense.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

The thing is... Sexual Attraction isn't enough for sexual intercourse alone. Sexual attraction is a lot like a sense.

K, fam. Are we or are we not talking about gender and sexuality in this thread? That doesn't even make a whole lot of sense.. because there are many many many situations where you are attracted to people when common sense tells you not to be and there are plenty of situations where you can be sexually attracted to someone without them being sexually attractive in a commonly understood way.

EDIT: ... And vice versa, there are situations where you aren't attracted at all to people who could be commonly understood to be sexually attractive.

EDITEDIT: What IS enough for sexual intercourse then?