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[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

This is a thread about gender and sexuality. This has often been a delicate issue in these forums, but I think that we can make it work.

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When I get negative responses or people telling me that my gender is invalid or wrong, it's frustrating and it's hurtful, but really it's making me sad that people still aren't willing to take a step back. It's not doing anyone harm. So I don't understand why they would be so opposed to it.

I have to choose between what makes me feel whole and what is safe all the fucking time

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If Toady One deletes posts about a particular topic, drop it. He will ban you if you continue.

If I say to drop a particular conversation, please do so. Don't make me lock this thread. I can and will do so if the conversation starts getting flamey, bigoted, or erotic.

Spoiler: old OP, for posterity (click to show/hide)

Please don't make me lock this. I will, though. Just you try.

This is about gender, sexuality, etc. I'm trying to contain the insanity by moving it here. SO IT CAN BE LOCKED IF NEED BE.

[My Name is Immaterial]

pls no
The last time we had something like this, it flamed up immediately, and people got banned.


Just my
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[BFEL]

SEXY THREAD GO!

Butts are sexy.

That is all.

[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

In my opinion, if you post in this in a flamey way, you deserve to get banned. Why should that stop people from discussing things?

But on the other hand, it distracts from the Toad working on his artifact game.

The dilemma.

[Tawa]

You wouldn't believe how quickly people descend to ad-hominems and flaming on this particular topic of discussion.

[mainiac]

You wouldn't believe how quickly people descend to ad-hominems and flaming on this particular topic of discussion.

You are only saying that because your butt doesn't look as good as mine in a sequin covered leotard.

[SirQuiamus]

When was the last time anyone had anything to discuss about this subject?

[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

i dunno

like, yesterday

when i talked about it

and then gunner-chan said "get out"

[Antioch]

Why has this subject become such a hot topic everyone should have an opinion about?

[Sheb]

So, what do you want to talk about? They're stuff that exists.

If we want to discuss something, there is that nice article I read a while back: "The Idea That Gender Is A Spectrum Is A New Gender Prison"

Basically, it doesn't make more sense to say that gender is a social construct, and then say that people fall on a gender spectrum or that they can choose their gender. Gender is the society's idea of how a given sex should act. No one fits in there 100% anyway. Rather than recognizing 200 different genders, we should recognize that every individual is different and attack the idea of gender as an ideal itself.

[origamiscienceguy]

I guess I'll get this started with my opinion.

I think gender (male/female) should be used as an easier way to say "one with XX chromosomes" and "one with XY chromosomes" In other words, I think that male and female should be a definition. I know that there are transgenders with genetic defects, and I am fine with creating genders for them, but I am not okay with people just deciding that for one day, they are a different gender.

[Sheb]

There is already a word for that, which is sex (and intersex people for those that have rarer mix like XXY). Gender usually refers to the social implication and expectations of the stuff, although they do get mixed up sometime.

[nenjin]

"They that doth imply a trainwreck in the thread's title hath their hand upon the throttle."

[Neonivek]

There is already a word for that, which is sex (and intersex people for those that have rarer mix like XXY). Gender usually refers to the social implication and expectations of the stuff, although they do get mixed up sometime.

Sort of. Except people do believe you can change your Sex and thus differentiating Sex and Gender becomes pointless. They become the same thing, in the end.

[RedKing]

From the Forum Guidelines:

Do not discuss sexually oriented material.  There are exceptions to this rule, such as passing discussions of sexual content in movies, books, computer games, etc. in topics not directed specifically at the sexual material in question, but no sexually themed topics are allowed.

Best not to go down this path.