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Author Topic: Gender/sexuality etc. - What Even Is A Gender Anyway  (Read 142985 times)

Rolan7

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Re: Gender/sexuality etc. - The dark hammer has fallen upon us!
« Reply #525 on: October 20, 2016, 09:05:11 pm »

Yeah I don't get the problem really...  Hitting on people isn't a problem if you stop when rebuffed (well and other stuff like not being at work, etc).  Sounds like he found some lesbians who weren't 100% homo, which makes sense to me.  I mean heck, lots of girls try "being lesbian".  Which I think is cool, people should be open minded and figure out what they actually like.

I don't even believe in 100% homo or hetero sexuality.  Certainly could be real, I just have doubts.  Maybe people are attracted to certain traits, and they get used to finding those traits in one of the two genders (cuz that's what you're supposed to do, right?)

But I'm probably waaaay projecting my own experience on other people, there :P

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« Reply #526 on: October 20, 2016, 09:07:31 pm »

Because here is the thing and I know it is a hard one to grasp but...

Sexual attraction is not "I am entirely not attracted to you 100%" and "You are viable for sexy times"

It is entirely possible, in fact... usually the case... That you are sexually attracted to someone but sexually repulsed on the prospect and act of having sex with them.

It is why I said "Sexual attraction is a lot like a sense"... It isn't a boning meter.

Which is where Cat is getting caught up. He is conflating attraction with Sex-ability where the inference is the only reason they don't sex him is because they are staunchly holding onto their perceived sexual orientation.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2016, 09:09:39 pm by Neonivek »
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« Reply #527 on: October 20, 2016, 09:08:28 pm »

It is entirely possible, in fact... usually the case... That you are sexually attracted to someone but sexually repulsed on the prospect and act of having sex with them.

... Not sure I would call that sexual attraction.

EDIT: In fact, that sounds a lot like what is widely referred to as "friendship" or "platonic love".

EDITEDIT: Also, I'm not saying sexual attraction is a "boning meter" as you say, but the whole point of classifying it as sexual is that is... well, sexual.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2016, 09:10:39 pm by Urist McScoopbeard »
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« Reply #528 on: October 20, 2016, 09:11:01 pm »

It is entirely possible, in fact... usually the case... That you are sexually attracted to someone but sexually repulsed on the prospect and act of having sex with them.

... Not sure I would call that sexual attraction.

EDIT: In fact, that sounds a lot like what is widely referred to as "friendship" or "platonic love".

No... I am using Sexual attraction to mean sexual attraction.

Just because someone is sexually attracted to you... it doesn't mean they want to have sex with you.

It doesn't mean that they are holding themselves back...
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« Reply #529 on: October 20, 2016, 09:13:59 pm »


Bro. I feel like you are really going back on what you're saying here.

EDIT in response to your edit: OKAY. I think it's commonly understood we don't spend most of our time consciously restraining ourselves from raping the people around us who find attractive, but if you're SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO SOMEONE, then, BY DEFINITION, you would like to engage in some form of sexually gratifying activity with them.
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« Reply #530 on: October 20, 2016, 09:14:34 pm »

Because here is the thing and I know it is a hard one to grasp but...

Sexual attraction is not "I am entirely not attracted to you 100%" and "You are viable for sexy times"

It is entirely possible, in fact... usually the case... That you are sexually attracted to someone but sexually repulsed on the prospect and act of having sex with them.

It is why I said "Sexual attraction is a lot like a sense"... It isn't a boning meter.

Which is where Cat is getting caught up. He is conflating attraction with Sex-ability where the inference is the only reason they don't sex him is because they are staunchly holding onto their perceived sexual orientation.

I don't think I am....
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« Reply #531 on: October 20, 2016, 09:15:27 pm »

Do you mean like, being ashamed of being attracted to someone?
Because yeah, that's a thing...  Being attracted to someone and sickened by that...

That's definitely sexual attraction though, just with unfortunate social bullshit or whatever
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Re: Gender/sexuality etc. - The dark hammer has fallen upon us!
« Reply #532 on: October 20, 2016, 09:17:34 pm »

I get where you are coming from Neon though dont confuse me for a sleazy person. If anyone rejects my flirting then I happily move along.
Im just saying that I think most people are Bi, like myself
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« Reply #533 on: October 20, 2016, 09:19:10 pm »

I guess I'm quite confused by what you're trying to say here (Neonivek.) You have a sexual orientation. It's the standard by which you measure your sexual attraction to someone. There is no uniformly defined way to measure "sex-ability"? Because that is affected by your orientation.
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« Reply #534 on: October 20, 2016, 09:23:32 pm »

Okay, what I don't understand is how are you going to infer someones sexual orientation based on simple deductions and not actually..well, proving it? Am I right or am I wrong when I say actions speak louder than words and such?

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Re: Gender/sexuality etc. - The dark hammer has fallen upon us!
« Reply #535 on: October 20, 2016, 09:45:43 pm »

What IS sexual attraction anyway?
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« Reply #536 on: October 20, 2016, 09:48:09 pm »

"Sexual attraction is attraction on the basis of sexual desire or the quality of arousing such interest.[1][2] Sexual attractiveness or sex appeal is an individual's ability to attract the sexual or erotic interest of another person, and is a factor in sexual selection or mate choice. The attraction can be to the physical or other qualities or traits of a person, or to such qualities in the context in which they appear. The attraction may be to a person's aesthetics or movements or to their voice or smell, besides other factors. The attraction may be enhanced by a person's adornments, clothing, perfume or style. It can also be influenced by individual genetic, psychological, or cultural factors, or to other, more amorphous qualities of the person. Sexual attraction is also a response to another person that depends on a combination of the person possessing the traits and also on the criteria of the person who is attracted.

Though attempts have been made to devise objective criteria of sexual attractiveness, and measure it as one of several bodily forms of capital asset (see erotic capital), a person's sexual attractiveness is to a large extent a subjective measure dependent on another person's interest, perception, and sexual orientation." -- Quoth Wikipedia

EDIT: I think that sums it up surprisingly well.
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Re: Gender/sexuality etc. - The dark hammer has fallen upon us!
« Reply #537 on: October 20, 2016, 10:34:21 pm »

Woah, I come back after a signal 4 storm and stuff happened ._.
Glad to see people being reasonable :D
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« Reply #538 on: October 20, 2016, 10:35:26 pm »

You, uh, missed the crazy guy.
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« Reply #539 on: October 20, 2016, 10:38:30 pm »

You, uh, missed the crazy guy.
If you mean someone who is somehow now renamed for some reason, I did respond to him. It got deleted in the derail :P
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