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[NullForceOmega]

I had forgotten about that nasty bit of copyright law, hosting the content being actionable etc.

Still, they are in the roll of mediator here, and due to that they should be more accessible when it comes to handling those claims.

[alexandertnt]

Still, they are in the roll of mediator here, and due to that they should be more accessible when it comes to handling those claims.

I definitely agree with that.

[BorkBorkGoesTheCode]

Hello, I am an inventor and small business owner. I have just patented a new form of handgun mechanism. I have bankrupted my company by spending most of my money and effort enforcing my patent, instead of managing my business and creating new inventions.

[Orange Wizard]

Hello, I am an inventor and small business owner. I have just patented a new form of handgun mechanism. I have bankrupted my company by spending most of my money and effort enforcing my patent, instead of managing my business and creating new inventions.

I have no problem with war profiteers going bankrupt

[martinuzz]

Hello, I am an inventor and small business owner. I have just patented a new form of handgun mechanism. I have bankrupted my company by spending most of my money and effort enforcing my patent, instead of managing my business and creating new inventions.

Spot on, one of the biggest problems with patent law. Big companies can afford to enforce it, small companies / individuals can't.

[NullForceOmega]

License your patent to an interested manufacturer for substantial sum (and they clearly exist or you wouldn't be protecting your IP, further, once you have successfully defended your patent you are entitled to damages from the other parties), begin new development or retire.

The laws aren't perfect (maybe not even good) but they are there and they do work (not always in your favor), still better than not having them at all.

[BorkBorkGoesTheCode]

Hello, I am an inventor and small business owner. I have just patented a new form of handgun mechanism. I have bankrupted my company by spending most of my money and effort enforcing my patent, instead of managing my business and creating new inventions.

I have no problem with war profiteers going bankrupt

I picked that one because I heard it happened.


Let's talk about the obvious. Copyright law and patent law limit the rate of artistic innovation and industrial growth, by declaring a single person to be the legitimate origin of copyrighted work or patented innovation; thus forcing the rate of lawful growth to be determined by the personality and intellect of the inventor alone, or their assignees if the law allows transfer of title.

Whole industries are essentially bound up in what amounts to an aristocratic system, with all the problems attached to such systems. Such systems can provide benefit to their subjects, but at great cost.

tl;dr: Industrial growth and cultural spread is limited by IP law, because very few people are allowed to make restricted products.

[Cthulhu]

They have to pay for the publications themselves too.

This sounds an awful lot like punishing scientists for doing research, which is the opposite of what this was supposed to solve.

[alexandertnt]

Hello, I am an inventor and small business owner. I have just patented a new form of handgun mechanism. I have bankrupted my company by spending most of my money and effort enforcing my patent, instead of managing my business and creating new inventions.

This is not an issue with patent law. It is a wider issue with law in general, where the accessibility and quality of legal representation is dependent on your wealth.

[pisskop]

how yall doin today?  im doing fine myself

[BorkBorkGoesTheCode]

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[NullForceOmega]

Let's talk about the obvious. Copyright law and patent law limit the rate of artistic innovation and industrial growth, by declaring a single person to be the legitimate origin of copyrighted work or patented innovation; thus forcing the rate of lawful growth to be determined by the personality and intellect of the inventor alone, or their assignees if the law allows transfer of title.

Whole industries are essentially bound up in what amounts to an aristocratic system, with all the problems attached to such systems. Such systems can provide benefit to their subjects, but at great cost.

tl;dr: Industrial growth and cultural spread is limited by IP law, because very few people are allowed to make restricted products.

Yeah, I have to say bullshit to all of that.  Anyone can apply for a patent, anyone can establish a copyright, if their patent or copyright infringes it's on them, not the people who hold the pre-existing IPs.

Humanity is what limits our expansion, someone being a dick about patents/copyright?  Human greed/hubris/whatever.  Corporate interest smacking down new IPs as infringing on theirs?  Same as before.

Don't blame laws designed to protect people from predation for humans being humans.  The laws have been abused, but I absolutely promise you that if they just went away the problem would be many thousands of time worse, because humans suck.

[Antioch]

Big companies spend around 1.5 times as much on patent enforcement as on RnD.

Personally I find that an extremely good sign that something is severely fucked up.


But patents are indeed a slightly different subject from copyright.

[BFEL]

My general idea of it:
It needs updating for the modern day, and probably constant updates into the future, but so long as we have a capitalist society, they'll be needed.

The answer then, is not to solve for the problem of Copyright, but for the problem of capitalism.

[Orange Wizard]

The answer then, is not to solve for the problem of Copyright, but for the problem of capitalism.

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