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[fonzacus]

dont think ive seen this yet.

if gods, ghosts, goblins and other giggitys exist, why not a dwarf you can command like in adventure mode? this dwarf does the job of any normal dwarf, then at a tap of a key, it turns into a fortress mode like game. they start at basic attributes you can raise over time with skill and stuff. you can recruit (they will never reject? a bit OPd?) and have a merry adventure in your embark region. the dwarf is ageless, but can be killed/diededed.

it sounds like a rework of the entire game, and IMO i think the game was meant to have something like this implemented some time in the future.

thoughts?

[PrimusRibbus]

dont think ive seen this yet.

if gods, ghosts, goblins and other giggitys exist, why not a dwarf you can command like in adventure mode? this dwarf does the job of any normal dwarf, then at a tap of a key, it turns into a fortress mode like game. they start at basic attributes you can raise over time with skill and stuff. you can recruit (they will never reject? a bit OPd?) and have a merry adventure in your embark region. the dwarf is ageless, but can be killed/diededed.

it sounds like a rework of the entire game, and IMO i think the game was meant to have something like this implemented some time in the future.

thoughts?

Personally, I'd settle for just being able to control a military dwarf adventure mode style during a siege.

[pisskop]

dont think ive seen this yet.

if gods, ghosts, goblins and other giggitys exist, why not a dwarf you can command like in adventure mode? this dwarf does the job of any normal dwarf, then at a tap of a key, it turns into a fortress mode like game. they start at basic attributes you can raise over time with skill and stuff. you can recruit (they will never reject? a bit OPd?) and have a merry adventure in your embark region. the dwarf is ageless, but can be killed/diededed.

it sounds like a rework of the entire game, and IMO i think the game was meant to have something like this implemented some time in the future.

thoughts?

Personally, I'd settle for just being able to control a military dwarf adventure mode style during a siege.

controlling a single dwarf in fort mode is impossible.
Controlling one in adventure mode isnt so much impossible are admittedly hard to ensure you get the bang for your buck.  Were talking about what might as well be a custom skirmish creator

[Bumber]

the dwarf is ageless, but can be killed/diededed.

That doesn't really fit the game. Why is the dwarf immortal? Sounds like an elf to me...

AFAIK, the plan is that we'll be in control of the fort's government. Maybe we'll be able to directly control the militia captain. Nobles might allow for more indirect control, such as creating laws and treaties.

[fonzacus]

this is kind of a discussion. i do see us being able to control a dwarf sometime in the future. it could be a dwarf version of you (like an 'overseer' type), or a 'divine intervention' where you can choose to control a single unit to make adjustments (like you need precision your drunk dwarves cant do, *cough* reservoir *cough*). politics wise you could be a peasant with the peoples support and topple random mandates, reject beatings and so on would be nice. 'divine justice' = no punishment?

as for controlling a single dwarf (overseer), i feel a bit too attached so losing a single dwarf hurts. id like to imagine the player as a part of the embark team instead of just watching from the clouds. being able to autopilot (default fortress mode) and taking control (adventure mode turn based) when you take over. 'possessing' a dwarf could work as well IMO. pushing a person down a well seems more satisfying to me rather than using tricks and traps.

an ageless dwarf could fit the overseer type, but i personally rarely have people die of old age. most of my fortresses die before hitting our 10th anniversary.

[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

Masterwork mod. Hermit player race.

Nothing else to be said.

[Arthropleura]

Masterwork mod. Hermit player race.

Nothing else to be said.

Doesn't give the player direct total control over the dwarf, which is what the OP was suggesting. What the OP is suggesting however is already a long term goal sort of. We're already seeing adventurer sites, toady has mentioned some way of speeding up time in adventurer mode and being the lord aka overseer of sites is already a thing. Mash 'em together and you get a disjointed mess. AKA your typical dwarf fort.

[NW_Kohaku]

It's not that it wouldn't be possible, but Toady doesn't want to do it. 

He's specifically stated that he doesn't want to give the player direct control over dwarves in Fortress Mode, and that he wants to constantly reinforce that the dwarves have their own autonomy.  You are supposed to just be a zeitgeist controlling the aggregated powers of the fortress's government (basically, you are the nobles), rather than an individual or a demigod.

Giving the player the chance to inhabit a dwarf, invalidate their own whims to follow yours, then switch seemlessly back directly opposes that idea.  (Although the retirement stuff that's in the game now does partially accomplish this idea, at least it has a large segregation of playmodes and a clear separation of time between them.)

[GoblinCookie]

What is the point of fortress mode if it is becomes adventure mode? 

[Arthropleura]

Personally, I think the OP has it backwards here. Rather than taking control of a dwarf in fortress mode, I think you should be able to take control of a fortress in adventure mode.

Being able to possess any citizen at any time is just silly. And would just promote micromanagement to keep your citizens from doing !!FUN!! things. But if you tied the overseership to your adventurer and were able to swap between the two at will, that could add something to gameplay. You could handle those tricky tasks yourself at the risk of losing control of the fortress, give the wounded water then personally punch Urist McLazypants in the face. Or just head on over to the tavern and get shitfaced with your dwarves.

But that's just my opinion.

[fonzacus]

having recently tried retiring a fortress and visiting it again in adventure mode, the game does provide a hint of what might come. it is true as i sort of want to 'take control of a fortress in adventure mode', but still be able to build in fortress mode. the reason why i want to be able to switch back and forth seamlessly is to speed up the build process. having to sit there while you infinitely press the period button so they get their jobs done. wouldnt it be nicer if you could reautomate the dwarf AKA using a key to unpossess the dwarf, and have fortress mode space pause/resume?

a wise man once said: never send a monkey to do a mans job. having many 'you just walled yourself off' scenario, being able to accurately do what is needed may help some of the more casual players. i like to play DF for its building aspects, and not for most other !!FUN!! things like surviving against impossible odds. the usual 'siege is here, station guys --- nah, im on a break' thing gets me (thank armok for DFhacks siren).

this does have 2 effects though. it helps more casual players play, while increasing management for a time. id like to see where 'taking control of the government' might lead us to, it might realize a part of this suggestion.

[Arthropleura]

having recently tried retiring a fortress and visiting it again in adventure mode, the game does provide a hint of what might come. it is true as i sort of want to 'take control of a fortress in adventure mode', but still be able to build in fortress mode. the reason why i want to be able to switch back and forth seamlessly is to speed up the build process. having to sit there while you infinitely press the period button so they get their jobs done. wouldnt it be nicer if you could reautomate the dwarf AKA using a key to unpossess the dwarf, and have fortress mode space pause/resume?

a wise man once said: never send a monkey to do a mans job. having many 'you just walled yourself off' scenario, being able to accurately do what is needed may help some of the more casual players. i like to play DF for its building aspects, and not for most other !!FUN!! things like surviving against impossible odds. the usual 'siege is here, station guys --- nah, im on a break' thing gets me (thank armok for DFhacks siren).

this does have 2 effects though. it helps more casual players play, while increasing management for a time. id like to see where 'taking control of the government' might lead us to, it might realize a part of this suggestion.

Toady mentioned somewhere putting something in to speed up time in adventure mode I think. And as adventurer building was just put in, we're starting to see the very first signs of a blending of the two modes.

As for the !!FUN!!, that stuff happens to NPC sites as well. The main reason we see it more in player sites is that players are more proactive, we don't have politics, wars, or any of the thing NPC have to distract them from focusing on wealth. So we focus on making crap and having lots of crap attracts fun. Moods don't help keep the fun away either.

[fonzacus]

can i have the links please? it sounds interesting. who knows it might be like 1 of those games where you send X amount of people off your map, then hope for the best. war efforts might be fun too. then when your party returns you get some rewards and corpses.