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Author Topic: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0  (Read 1411479 times)

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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0
« Reply #18510 on: January 27, 2017, 07:22:27 am »

Well, according to some random guy on Twitter quoted on a front page of Russian news aggregator, Trump administration has an executive order ready to lift Russia sanctions. Trump will also talk to Merkel on Saturday, presumably to pressure her into lifting sanctions on Russia as well.

best internet reaction I read on that so far: 'O Kurwa' XD
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« Reply #18511 on: January 27, 2017, 08:24:35 am »

Money steadily flowing out of the country, whether for imported goods or "imported" labor, causes a trade deficit.  It's sorta bad in that we end up owing those countries more and more - naturally, since we're receiving their goods/services and not giving them equal value back except in currency (shares, essentially).

There are a lot of reasons why this happens, but it's not sustainable.
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« Reply #18512 on: January 27, 2017, 08:33:23 am »

Putin will find Merkel to be perfectly willing to lift sanctions, as soon as the Crimea is returned to Ukraine
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0
« Reply #18513 on: January 27, 2017, 09:12:15 am »

I bet Trump would put sanctions on EU in that case.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0
« Reply #18514 on: January 27, 2017, 09:47:49 am »

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"I am convinced that the economic sanctions are totally ineffective," Fillon told reporters earlier on Monday. "We must find another way to talk," he said, while adding that a gesture from Russia would be needed before sanctions could be lifted.
"I do not want (U.S. President Donald) Trump to talk with Russia at our expense. It would be damaging for Europe if Trump went above our heads, which is not inconceivable," he said.
Fillon, who last year was called an "upstanding person" by Russian President Vladimir Putin, said that in the longer term he would aim for a new economic partnership and a Europe-Russia security conference, once the conflict in Ukraine was resolved. [nR4N1DL001]
Fillon is the frontrunner in opinion polls but his ratings have dropped slightly and surveys predict an increasingly tight race between him, far-right National Front leader Marine Le Pen and independent centrist Emmanuel Macron.
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« Reply #18515 on: January 27, 2017, 09:54:15 am »

He, we'll see how his poll numbers hold up with the current expense scandals.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0
« Reply #18516 on: January 27, 2017, 10:45:52 am »

If you e.g. give 30,000 people $10K to live on, they have to spend it. Say 2/3rds of that goes to creating minimum-wage jobs and you set those at $20K. That just made 10,000 jobs to feed/cloth/house the other 30000....
That's the kind of stuff that unfortunately only works out that way in economics textbooks :)
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0
« Reply #18517 on: January 27, 2017, 10:49:39 am »

What do poor people do with the money however?  If you e.g. give 30,000 people $10K to live on, they have to spend it. Say 2/3rds of that goes to creating minimum-wage jobs and you set those at $20K. That just made 10,000 jobs to feed/cloth/house the other 30000. But those 10,000 people are going to spend their money, and 2/3ds of that is also going to spent on wages, so you get another 6666 jobs happening, and those people spending create another 4444 jobs and so on. If you do the limit sum for that you get a total number of jobs created of .... 30000. Those are just rough numbers but they happened to work out that way. My point is that by setting the right minimum wage and welfare payments, you can in fact create more actual jobs than the number of "slackers" you create. Part of the reason this works is that labor is an under-utilized resource. People have plenty of time to spare, but we have finite limits of other resources. We can run out of steel, but it'd take a hell of a lot of effort for us to run out of people who have spare time.
How would you ensure people wouldn't use all this cash to fuel addictions?

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« Reply #18518 on: January 27, 2017, 10:50:30 am »

He, we'll see how his poll numbers hold up with the current expense scandals.

He'll just not believe the poll numbers. Unless maybe they were done by FOX or something.
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« Reply #18519 on: January 27, 2017, 10:51:43 am »

He, we'll see how his poll numbers hold up with the current expense scandals.

He'll just not believe the poll numbers. Unless maybe they were done by FOX or something.

I was talking about Fillion, not Trump.

How would you ensure people wouldn't use all this cash to fuel addictions?

Think of all the drug dealer jobs this would create!
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« Reply #18520 on: January 27, 2017, 10:52:30 am »

Think of all the drug dealer jobs this would create!
Opium funds jihad so it's an important consideration

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« Reply #18521 on: January 27, 2017, 11:06:01 am »

How would you ensure people wouldn't use all this cash to fuel addictions?
Think of all the drug dealer jobs this would create!
Hey, federalize drug production and you're probably going to be in a good spot, there.

... more seriously, seriously, you do it the same way you should be doing it now. Social convention, a degree of legal treatment that's not counterproductive on the net, and making sure folks have things to do besides indulge in addictions and enough genuine awareness to know the issues involved. You don't need to ensure folks won't go that route, you just have to make sure not enough do to matter. Which is something you can actually achieve rather than an impossibility. Not even that difficult, tbh. Most folks don't really want to live their life in a perpetual drug haze.
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« Reply #18522 on: January 27, 2017, 11:14:43 am »

How would you ensure people wouldn't use all this cash to fuel addictions?
Think of all the drug dealer jobs this would create!
Hey, federalize drug production and you're probably going to be in a good spot, there.

... more seriously, seriously, you do it the same way you should be doing it now. Social convention, a degree of legal treatment that's not counterproductive on the net, and making sure folks have things to do besides indulge in addictions and enough genuine awareness to know the issues involved. You don't need to ensure folks won't go that route, you just have to make sure not enough do to matter. Which is something you can actually achieve rather than an impossibility. Not even that difficult, tbh. Most folks don't really want to live their life in a perpetual drug haze.

should go and sell some those ideas in Ireland, they desperately need help in dealing with the welfare junkies.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0
« Reply #18523 on: January 27, 2017, 01:06:05 pm »

What do poor people do with the money however?  If you e.g. give 30,000 people $10K to live on, they have to spend it. Say 2/3rds of that goes to creating minimum-wage jobs and you set those at $20K. That just made 10,000 jobs to feed/cloth/house the other 30000. But those 10,000 people are going to spend their money, and 2/3ds of that is also going to spent on wages, so you get another 6666 jobs happening, and those people spending create another 4444 jobs and so on. If you do the limit sum for that you get a total number of jobs created of .... 30000. Those are just rough numbers but they happened to work out that way. My point is that by setting the right minimum wage and welfare payments, you can in fact create more actual jobs than the number of "slackers" you create. Part of the reason this works is that labor is an under-utilized resource. People have plenty of time to spare, but we have finite limits of other resources. We can run out of steel, but it'd take a hell of a lot of effort for us to run out of people who have spare time.
How would you ensure people wouldn't use all this cash to fuel addictions?

The internalization of the war on the poor is truly amazing. It's like watching a confederate soldier presented with the idea of universal suffrage, and him responding "How do you ensure they won't vote for watermelons?"
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« Reply #18524 on: January 27, 2017, 01:09:54 pm »

What do poor people do with the money however?  If you e.g. give 30,000 people $10K to live on, they have to spend it. Say 2/3rds of that goes to creating minimum-wage jobs and you set those at $20K. That just made 10,000 jobs to feed/cloth/house the other 30000. But those 10,000 people are going to spend their money, and 2/3ds of that is also going to spent on wages, so you get another 6666 jobs happening, and those people spending create another 4444 jobs and so on. If you do the limit sum for that you get a total number of jobs created of .... 30000. Those are just rough numbers but they happened to work out that way. My point is that by setting the right minimum wage and welfare payments, you can in fact create more actual jobs than the number of "slackers" you create. Part of the reason this works is that labor is an under-utilized resource. People have plenty of time to spare, but we have finite limits of other resources. We can run out of steel, but it'd take a hell of a lot of effort for us to run out of people who have spare time.
How would you ensure people wouldn't use all this cash to fuel addictions?

The internalization of the war on the poor is truly amazing. It's like watching a confederate soldier presented with the idea of universal suffrage, and him responding "How do you ensure they won't vote for watermelons?"

Yep. Responsible tax spending is equal to the depths of the Confederacy. Enough straw there to crash an entire State's agricultural sector. 
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