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[Shadowlord]

"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

[Neonivek]

"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

As American people you have a duty to rewrite the past in order to address problems in the current day.

Edit: No I don't believe in this! Though it is a common American Practice... FROM SEA TO SHINING SEA!

[smjjames]

Im sure there have been a few atheist politicians, they just disguise it well as being not very religious. Also liberal.

[Reelya]

I have no right to tell climate change deniers that climate change is real. How dare those "evolutionists" try and manipulate governments to put that stuff in the textbooks.

The problem is that people who don't agree with those beliefs influencing the government and education system view them exactly the same as you would if theocrats were influencing the government and education system.

So the problem is the sheer impossibility of coming up with some objective system which allows the full range of ideas to influence decisions while somehow banning the stuff Urist wants to ban. That's easier said than done, which is why anecdotal explanations of how proposed laws "should" work, never actually work.

[Shadowlord]

"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

As American people you have a duty to rewrite the past in order to address problems in the current day.

I'm Commander Shepard, and Neo is my favorite Elcor on the Forums.

In case you were serious, that was a quote from 1984.

[Neonivek]

Yeah I sometimes forget to spell it out for people which gets me in a lot of trouble when I am trying to be witty.

[smjjames]

I have no right to tell climate change deniers that climate change is real. How dare those "evolutionists" try and manipulate governments to put that stuff in the textbooks.

The problem is that people who don't agree with those beliefs influencing the government and education system view them exactly the same as you would if theocrats were influencing the government and education system.

So the problem is the sheer impossibility of coming up with some objective system which allows the full range of ideas to influence decisions while somehow banning the stuff Urist wants to ban. That's easier said than done, which is why anecdotal explanations of how proposed laws "should" work, never actually work.

Besides, there are ways around those other things. The pamphlets? Don't have to answer the door.  Someone harassing people and trying to preach religion? Call the police or security or whatever because that's what they're for.

[Lord Shonus]

Urist, rewrite your argument and replace "religion" with atheism, agnosticism, or however you identifying yourself. Now imagine that I am trying to force that on you. Maybe then you will realize just how offensive you are being right now.

[Reelya]

I'm reading some excerpts from Thomas Jefferson. Man, I think you could bear to have a few more of that fellow pop up about now.

In his autobiography, Thomas Jefferson spoke directly to the debate over the crafting of a Virginia statute for religious freedom. Jefferson describes a proposal to add the phrase "the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion."

"The insertion was rejected by a great majority," Jefferson wrote, "In proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination."

Jefferson would surely be a Trump supporter now, I bet. And that lead me here:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-sh-satan-monument-oklahoma-capitol-20131209-story.html#axzz2neV3dTDH

A satanist group plans to submit a design for a monument it wants to erect on the lawn of the Oklahoma State Capitol. The proposal from the New York-based Satanic Temple comes after Oklahoma conservatives erected a monument to the Ten Commandments on the statehouse lawn. In 2009, the Republican-controlled Oklahoma Legislature authorized the privately funded Ten Commandments monument to be placed near the Capitol steps. In so doing, the Legislature apparently opened the door to other religious groups, including satanists, to privately fund their own monuments.

Which lead to:
http://jezebel.com/oklahoma-removes-ten-commandments-on-capitol-grounds-w-1735155450

Under an order from the Oklahoma Supreme Court, a very large crane came Tuesday night and removed an enormous Ten Commandments monument from the grounds of the Oklahoma State Capitol. Tragically, this also means that the Satanic Temple probably won’t be able to place their own competing monument beside it.

[Neonivek]

Honestly to an extent... I don't see why not.

Why not have a statue of Moses on Capital Hill?

For Satanists just have them be tasteful if your worried about content.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

*stuff posted on last page, sorry for taking forever to respond*

Honestly to an extent... I don't see why not.

Why not have a statue of Moses on Capital Hill?

UUUH, because the US is a secular state.

EDIT:

Urist, rewrite your argument and replace "religion" with atheism, agnosticism, or however you identifying yourself. Now imagine that I am trying to force that on you. Maybe then you will realize just how offensive you are being right now.

Just to restate it here, in case you don't read my previous post, IDGAF. I have no right to get on a soapbox in the middle of main street and start yelling about how god is dead.

[Neonivek]

UUUH, because the US is a secular state.

Ohh right... I forgot the US is a melting pot society and not multicultural

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Neon, you're being even less comprehensible and more smug than usual. What in the name of Science God are you even talking about?

[Neonivek]

Neon, you're being even less comprehensible and more smug than usual. What in the name of Science God are you even talking about?

Ohh right Smug. Definition: "Someone who is wrong, but thinks they are right"

Looks like I got another word to retire right after I get everyone to stop using the term "Entitled" forever.

As for what I am talking about. Secular means that religion doesn't RUN the government. I don't see why religious adornments of many faiths compromises it when faith in many ways is a sign of culture.

[Urist McScoopbeard]

UUUH, because the US is a secular state.

Ohh right... I forgot the US is a melting pot society and not multicultural

What? That's like... the opposite of why the US is secular state. It's secular so any one culture doesnt get absorbed into one homogeneous society?

Neon, you're being even less comprehensible and more smug than usual. What in the name of Science God are you even talking about?

Ohh right Smug. Definition: "Someone who is wrong, but thinks they are right"

Looks like I got another word to retire right after I get everyone to stop using the term "Entitled" forever.

As for what I am talking about. Secular means that religion doesn't RUN the government. I don't see why religious adornments of many faiths compromises it when faith in many ways is a sign of culture.

Because putting a statue of an important figure to a SINGLE (in this case several, but still) faith near the capital building could be seen as support for certain religions?