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Author Topic: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: T+0  (Read 1412641 times)

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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Post-Apocalypse
« Reply #14040 on: November 27, 2016, 03:41:55 pm »

Also, the fact that Russia isn't communist makes it much less taboo for various people to latch onto Putin's word, since he's just the run-of-the-mill authoritarian dictator that western countries have long been hypocritical in supporting.
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« Reply #14041 on: November 27, 2016, 04:07:21 pm »

It really isn't all that surprising that Russia and so many movements across the world are against the liberal world order, it is the only world order since commies died. Thus if any anti-establishment candidate pops up, there is only one order to be against

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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Post-Apocalypse
« Reply #14042 on: November 27, 2016, 04:22:55 pm »

It really isn't all that surprising that Russia and so many movements across the world are against the liberal world order, it is the only world order since commies died. Thus if any anti-establishment candidate pops up, there is only one order to be against

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well given that most news thingys (papers networks ext.) are at least left leaning, it does make sense to think that there is a liberal propaganda machine fit to rebel against.

Counterpoint: Have you considered that Putin has completed forging the One Ring, and now seeks to corrupt and subjugate the rest of peaceful Liberal Earth because he's the prime servant of an evil angel?

man i wish it was that simple.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Post-Apocalypse
« Reply #14043 on: November 27, 2016, 04:27:50 pm »

I think that the reason news has a liberal bias is that reality has a liberal bias...Factually, conservative points are often wrong.
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« Reply #14044 on: November 27, 2016, 04:33:13 pm »

I think that the reason news has a liberal bias is that reality has a liberal bias...Factually, conservative points are often wrong.

Damn wrongthinkers. World would be perfect if everyone just listened to the right people.
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« Reply #14045 on: November 27, 2016, 04:35:16 pm »

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/trump-illegal-voting-clinton-231860

Oh FFS, if he is still claiming rigged, he needs to do an audit/recount/whatever of everything to prove that.
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« Reply #14046 on: November 27, 2016, 04:36:22 pm »

I think that the reason news has a liberal bias is that reality has a liberal bias...Factually, conservative points are often wrong.

Damn wrongthinkers. World would be perfect if everyone just listened to the right people.

how dare other people think diferently.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Post-Apocalypse
« Reply #14047 on: November 27, 2016, 04:37:22 pm »

It really isn't all that surprising that Russia and so many movements across the world are against the liberal world order, it is the only world order since commies died. Thus if any anti-establishment candidate pops up, there is only one order to be against

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It's surprising the way those movements align though, like the way that Russia got both right- and left-wing supporters in the anti-liberal movements.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Post-Apocalypse
« Reply #14048 on: November 27, 2016, 04:42:57 pm »

It really isn't all that surprising that Russia and so many movements across the world are against the liberal world order, it is the only world order since commies died. Thus if any anti-establishment candidate pops up, there is only one order to be against

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It's surprising the way those movements align though, like the way that Russia got both right- and left-wing supporters in the anti-liberal movements.
That's because separately, they wouldn't stand a chance. What Russia does is saying "hey, you need to unite and defeat them liberals, first", and they simply listen to their good advice. That's why I've said that Russian actions act as a crystallizer for pro-Russian movements, yes.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Post-Apocalypse
« Reply #14049 on: November 27, 2016, 04:44:08 pm »

I think that the reason news has a liberal bias is that reality has a liberal bias...Factually, conservative points are often wrong.
Damn wrongthinkers. World would be perfect if everyone just listened to the right people.
A man in Saudi Arabia goes to read the news, it is biased towards Saudi Arabia and Sunni Islam, that its journalists are students of Sunni theology and employed by Saudis has nothing to do with it: Reality has a Saudi bias
A man in the PRC goes to read the news, it is biased towards the PRC and communism, that its journalists are students of Marxism and employed by the PRC has nothing to do with it, reality has a PRC bias.
e.t.c., pretty deluded to think reality literally revolves around your biases. Worse still, it's the most hideous smugness exhibited in its purest, which is why liberals are so despised
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It's surprising the way those movements align though, like the way that Russia got both right- and left-wing supporters in the anti-liberal movements.
Oh yeah, Putin controlled Jill Stein, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. All of them, Putin pawns. That they just so happened to be all the opponents of Hillary Clinton is pure coincidence, she had loads of political interest in calling all of her opponents foreign agitators in her race to Presidency but nah, she must be telling the truth :P

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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Post-Apocalypse
« Reply #14050 on: November 27, 2016, 04:50:25 pm »

Yeah, only liberals can be smug. ive literally never heard of conservatives being smug; just doesn't happen.

don't really see the point you're trying to make here
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« Reply #14051 on: November 27, 2016, 04:56:02 pm »

I've heard... was it Frumple? Yeah, I think it was Frumple. Anyway, Frumple talked about how liberals have actually pushed very hard for helping the working man over the last several decades, with conservatives doing their best to prevent that. But then the working man sees... very little happening for them, and so deduces that liberals don't care about him. He's wrong. (Correct me if that wasn't F, or if that wasn't what F said.)

I'm saying that people are wrong. Is that smug, really? That's a nice way of putting it. It lets you dismiss liberalism as "those smug ivory-tower coastal elites." Keep that bubble going, LW, don't let any reality in
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Post-Apocalypse
« Reply #14052 on: November 27, 2016, 04:58:02 pm »

@LW(on phone, so, too clunky to quote edit) : I get that the eliteism (the Clintons for example) is part of the reason why liberals are despised, along with ignoring the working class, but that article didn't really go into depth on why liberals are so despised, at least not yet, still reading it.

@Doze: Yeah it was frumple.
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« Reply #14053 on: November 27, 2016, 05:00:05 pm »

Yeah, only liberals can be smug. ive literally never heard of conservatives being smug; just doesn't happen.
don't really see the point you're trying to make here
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There is a smug style in American liberalism. It has been growing these past decades. It is a way of conducting politics, predicated on the belief that American life is not divided by moral difference or policy divergence — not really — but by the failure of half the country to know what's good for them.

In 2016, the smug style has found expression in media and in policy, in the attitudes of liberals both visible and private, providing a foundational set of assumptions above which a great number of liberals comport their understanding of the world.

It has led an American ideology hitherto responsible for a great share of the good accomplished over the past century of our political life to a posture of reaction and disrespect: a condescending, defensive sneer toward any person or movement outside of its consensus, dressed up as a monopoly on reason.
Coming right after 'reality has a liberal bias' it is easy to see the point, even if you disagree. Liberal media tells all its liberal viewers that they're smarter than everyone else, and results come in: they agree

I'm saying that people are wrong. Is that smug, really? That's a nice way of putting it. It lets you dismiss liberalism as "those smug ivory-tower coastal elites." Keep that bubble going, LW, don't let any reality in
I live in the epicenter of the global liberal world, am posting on a forum that is mostly progressive, spent my life in liberal education and liberal workplaces, out of everyone I know on a second name basis only three are not liberals

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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American: Post-Apocalypse
« Reply #14054 on: November 27, 2016, 05:08:07 pm »

I'm saying that people are wrong. Is that smug, really? That's a nice way of putting it. It lets you dismiss liberalism as "those smug ivory-tower coastal elites." Keep that bubble going, LW, don't let any reality in
It may not be smugness from an objective viewpoint, but it is certainly seen as such from their subjective one, and, as we have already seen in this election, perception really fucking matters. If you want to influence the world, it's optimal to learn how to present your viewpoint in a way that will make it most accessible to the person you're talking to.

Otherwise you'll keep getting blindsided with Trump after Trump coming to power in all Western countries, with Putin and his ilk cackling at the backstage at the liberals' repeated failure to reverse the slide into unpopularity, as the new conservative world order continues to rise and destroy everything you love and care about.

Do you want that?
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