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[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

ok lagslayer

how exactly is this revisionism:

"Trump ran on a platform of hate, more so than Clinton."

rly, tell me more

[Strife26]

I wouldn't call it revisionism, but there's certainly strong arguments that it's inaccurate in the final calculation. Trump ran on non-specific, inflammatory change and Clinton didn't. The voters voted for that instead of a 3rd Democratic term. The interesting thing to look forward to is what happens now and what happens in the future.

[Neonivek]

Because Dozebom

When Trump says all illegal Mexicans are rapists and murderers...

And someone supports Trump or even says that Trump is right.

A Hillary supporter says that they are a bigot.

Thusly. Hillary is more hatefilled.

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Then when the news corrects Donald Trump and calls him out on being bigoted...

It means Hillary Clinton did it.

[Eric Blank]

honestly I think Tempacc is completely right here. Democrats could have handled this better.

I also just heard Mrs Kaine express that if trump supporters werent afraid of being insulted and harassed for admitting their support, then you'd have seen the support polls predicting less support for hillary. But you cant express support for trump without being called out and insulted, and a lot of people are going to avoid arguments that revolve around personal insults.

[Neonivek]

honestly I think Tempacc is completely right here. Democrats could have handled this better.

The problem is that one right point doesn't make the entire argument right.

Could the democrats have handled this better and was there serious problems with how people acted this entire election? Yes.

However Tempacc is kind of completely dismissing ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS' points. Since for once, yes... Bigotry was actually an issue and not just an inflammatory insult thrown around for no reason. As well it implies that Trump supporters were always in the right in all conversations.

But hey Tempacc probably MEANT "Maybe if the Hillary supporters had some freeken decorum things wouldn't be so caustic now!"

[Toady One]

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[Sprin]

honestly I think Tempacc is completely right here. Democrats could have handled this better.

The problem is that one right point doesn't make the entire argument right.

Could the democrats have handled this better and was there serious problems with how people acted this entire election? Yes.

However Tempacc is kind of completely dismissing ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS' points. Since for once, yes... Bigotry was actually an issue and not just an inflammatory insult thrown around for no reason. As well it implies that Trump supporters were always in the right.

No it was an inflamitory insult 98% of the time

For like the last four to eight years its just been conservatives are racist
Conservatives hate the poor
Conservatives are bigots who hate gays blah blah blah

[Strife26]

I'm seeing people on Twitter talking about buying guns to defend themselves and their families...presumably from the neo-nazi alt-right wing death squads that are inevitably going to roam the streets and attack all those minorities now that Trump is gonna be president.

Thank God the second amendment exists and Trump supports the second amendment so people can get a gun if they feel the need to protect themselves from Trump.


With that shitposting on how the tables have turned, I'm afraid that America is only going to become even further polarized and now both sides will be armed.

It'll be very interesting how Trump's gun position will develop from here. It'll be even more interesting if California suddenly decides that everything and anything is cool, even to the point of not enforcing federal tax stamp laws on the cool things.

[ChairmanPoo]

It'll be interesting how Trump's business sense works out as President. One big difference between being a CEO vs President is externalities.

i.e a CEO can take actions to get a "bigger slice of the pie", even when said actions also shrink the entire pie, and come out ahead. e.g. say I own a toll road then decide I can jack up the toll to make more money. Now I have more money, but traffic is decreased, so every other business along that road is now losing money, potentially even more money than I made through the action of raising the toll.

A CEO doesn't need to worry about what economic effect his actions have on people around him while a President does. e.g. sacking government workers "saves money" the same as sacking corporate workers. Except those same workers can now turn around and claim unemployment benefits from their ex-employer, and the government loses out any revenue/savings that accrued from the economic input that their paycheck / job was creating.

Well, he was pretty horrible as a CEO...

[Neonivek]

Conservatives are bigots who hate gays blah blah blah

It really doesn't help that
A) Trump has been quite overt about it...
and
B) The difference is night and FREEKEN DAY! between Homophobic Conservatives and Homophobic Liberals. There are more homophobic conservatives then there are indifferent Liberals.
-Yes I looked it up.

[nenjin]

honestly I think Tempacc is completely right here. Democrats could have handled this better.

The problem is that one right point doesn't make the entire argument right.

Could the democrats have handled this better and was there serious problems with how people acted this entire election? Yes.

However Tempacc is kind of completely dismissing ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS' points. Since for once, yes... Bigotry was actually an issue and not just an inflammatory insult thrown around for no reason. As well it implies that Trump supporters were always in the right.

No it was an inflamitory insult 98% of the time

For like the last four to eight years its just been conservatives are racist
Conservatives hate the poor
Conservatives are bigots who hate gays blah blah blah

When conservatives legislate against gays and say stuff like "i'm not going to let transgender queers rape my daughter in the bathroom", refer to Obama as "that nigger president", scream at him during his speeches calling him a liar, a communist, a muslim, saying that he hates America....

What exactly do you expect the rest of the country to see? That you're all just gosh darn nice people if you exclude all the hateful stuff you stand behind either because you believe or you support your party?

There a difference between insulting you and calling you on exactly the shit you say you believe.

[Sprin]

Conservatives are bigots who hate gays blah blah blah

It really doesn't help that
A) Trump has been quite overt about it...
and
B) The difference is night and FREEKEN DAY! between Homophobic Conservatives and Homophobic Liberals. There are more homophobic conservatives then there are indifferent Liberals.

The number 1 Trump supporter is a gay guy who only dates black people

[Innsmothe]

It'll be interesting how Trump's business sense works out as President. One big difference between being a CEO vs President is externalities.

i.e a CEO can take actions to get a "bigger slice of the pie", even when said actions also shrink the entire pie, and come out ahead. e.g. say I own a toll road then decide I can jack up the toll to make more money. Now I have more money, but traffic is decreased, so every other business along that road is now losing money, potentially even more money than I made through the action of raising the toll.

A CEO doesn't need to worry about what economic effect his actions have on people around him while a President does. e.g. sacking government workers "saves money" the same as sacking corporate workers. Except those same workers can now turn around and claim unemployment benefits from their ex-employer, and the government loses out any revenue/savings that accrued from the economic input that their paycheck / job was creating.

Well, he was pretty horrible as a CEO...

And yet is very rich and successful.
Every entrepreneur has more failures than successes, it's called practice and experimentation.

[Strife26]

Yeah, but there's also a world of difference between homophobic conservatives and general conservatives. Probably, maybe, have fun finding statistics.

[Sprin]

honestly I think Tempacc is completely right here. Democrats could have handled this better.

The problem is that one right point doesn't make the entire argument right.

Could the democrats have handled this better and was there serious problems with how people acted this entire election? Yes.

However Tempacc is kind of completely dismissing ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS' points. Since for once, yes... Bigotry was actually an issue and not just an inflammatory insult thrown around for no reason. As well it implies that Trump supporters were always in the right.

No it was an inflamitory insult 98% of the time

For like the last four to eight years its just been conservatives are racist
Conservatives hate the poor
Conservatives are bigots who hate gays blah blah blah

When conservatives legislate against gays and stay stuff like "i'm not going to let transgender queers rape my daughter in the bathroom", refer to Obama as "that nigger president", scream at him during his speeches calling him a liar, a communist, a muslim, saying that he hates America....

What exactly do you expect the rest of the country to see? That you're all just gosh darn nice people if you exclude all the hateful stuff you stand behind either because you believe or you support your party?

There a difference between insulting you and calling you on exactly the shit you say you believe.

Uhuh suuuure.