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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American (\{mainiac})
« Reply #9345 on: November 02, 2016, 04:49:54 pm »

Maybe, no matter who wins, we just need to split the country. There are such firm political divides between red regions and blue that having a single unified government just doesn't make sense. The difficulty, of course, will be in resettling displaced people, but perhaps we can do home-swapping. If you're a liberal in rural Alabama (somehow,) you can switch places with a rural conservative in California.

Jesusland and Liberalia have been proposed before, but maybe the country is ready for it now?
Splitting the country is not a practical, practicable, or desirable solution. First and foremost because the country is by and large split on rural versus urban lines, and you can't get just one or the other. Second, because that's creating bubbles. I understand it's a joke or at least not a serious proposal. It still showcases a sentiment I very much disagree with. I suppose I'm just the sort of Democrat that RedKing wants to avoid being, though, with not believing that the most important thing is winning at all costs and thereby letting someone else get an advantage over me.
Don't waste your time; Baby Boomers are getting old and replaced with immigrants. Give it 20 years, and demographics will change significantly.


So long as this country doesn't do something stupid like heavily restrict immigration.
This doesn't actually solve anything though! Immigration is not good or bad of itself! Even when it helps individuals, it does not solve the root problems! In certain cases it can spread and perpetuate problems!

They said that about people dying ofd twenty years ago and they'll be saying it twenty years from now.
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« Reply #9346 on: November 02, 2016, 04:54:16 pm »

So if Trump becomes president and evidence is found that he had sex with a minor (before he became president), it would legally no be possible to impeach him for that? Would it be possible to arrest him though? Can a president be jailed?

I guess you're referring to this? The claim is being led or orchestrated by a guy who has a record of making outlandish claims against celebrities. So, it sounds extremely dubious. Also, the new 'accuser' is doing a press conference today apparently.

@country splitting: Yeah, just not possible, there is nothing like the divide that slavery had between slavery-allowed south and slavery-forbidden north. You can't draw a line saying all conservatives are here and all liberals are here, things are just too diffuse, which is why you more often see a political map of US election results as varying shades of purple.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American (\{mainiac})
« Reply #9347 on: November 02, 2016, 04:58:34 pm »

So long as this country doesn't do something stupid like heavily restrict immigration.
In all honesty? I don't buy that it's possible, even if Trump were to be elected. Immigration on both sides of the law is the lifeblood of the US. The runner up in sheer numbers is Russia, and theirs is entirely different in nature to ours. Trump would hurt a lot of individuals but I doubt he, or any other person, could ever put a dent in immigration that wasn't caused by greater trends.
Entirely different in nature? I thought that the bulk of your immigration was in low-skilled workers from Mexico, which were then semi-legally employed for hard manual work near or below minimum wage, like gathering various agricultures, that the locals themselves wouldn't really do. About same as ours, with Tajiks diligently sweeping the streets and working on repairing road infrastructure. Doesn't seem all that "entirely different" to me, at least on that particular level...
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American (\{mainiac})
« Reply #9348 on: November 02, 2016, 05:04:55 pm »



I guess you're referring to this? The claim is being led or orchestrated by a guy who has a record of making outlandish claims against celebrities. So, it sounds extremely dubious. Also, the new 'accuser' is doing a press conference today apparently.

Nope, I wasn't referring to anything, it was hypothetical, although slightly infleunced by that thing where he said 'I'll date her in 10 years' about a young girl and his general groping remarks.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American (\{mainiac})
« Reply #9349 on: November 02, 2016, 05:07:38 pm »

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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American (\{mainiac})
« Reply #9350 on: November 02, 2016, 05:14:44 pm »

@MSH - nice new persontext, old boy ;)

I still don't get the whole Clinton email "Scandal"

Because when you actually read the story it turns out that it wasn't even illegal and several other top politicians used private mail servers for their mail as well.

The problem is that she either made stupid or unethical decisions and it has the appearance of being very very shady, up to and including the destruction of evidence before investigators were able to actually look at it. But thus far very little of consequence has actually been found. It has been found that she did stuff that broke internal state department rules. And she mishandled classified materials which is on some level illegal. But thus far no malicious intent can be attached to that. And nobody is willing to prosecute anyway.

I'll be honest. I don't see that turning into an actual court case at all. But even by her own admission she made a mistake. And based on other peoples testimony she was warned multiple times by people with expertise that should have been trusted that she was making a mistake. I personally see that as a major flaw.

I, though not an American, agree with this. Opacity and accountability of the state is a big issue for me. Here in Sweden, all state employees are required by law to log all mail and email they receive and send, and I expect the same from all politicians. Just the action of setting up a separate, private server like that would be a huge red flag for me, and it would upset me greatly if I found out a government official had done it. It might not be Technically Illegal, but it clearly breaks the citizen-state trust contract, in my opinion.

That she is not alone in doing this is besides the point (although the ride she's been put on over it definitely reveals a difference in treatment/bias against her in comparison to the others that's guilty of the same thing). Really, the fact that it was the Cheney regime that started the practice, or at least that she learned it from, should be an immediate giveaway.

Splitting the country is not a practical, practicable, or desirable solution. First and foremost because the country is by and large split on rural versus urban lines, and you can't get just one or the other. Second, because that's creating bubbles. I understand it's a joke or at least not a serious proposal. It still showcases a sentiment I very much disagree with. I suppose I'm just the sort of Democrat that RedKing wants to avoid being, though, with not believing that the most important thing is winning at all costs and thereby letting someone else get an advantage over me.
Don't waste your time; Baby Boomers are getting old and replaced with immigrants. Give it 20 years, and demographics will change significantly.


So long as this country doesn't do something stupid like heavily restrict immigration.
This doesn't actually solve anything though! Immigration is not good or bad of itself! Even when it helps individuals, it does not solve the root problems! In certain cases it can spread and perpetuate problems!

They said that about people dying ofd twenty years ago and they'll be saying it twenty years from now.

Not to mention that "I hope my countrymen die" is an awful basis for a national spirit.


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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American (\{mainiac})
« Reply #9351 on: November 02, 2016, 07:15:36 pm »

I just don't understand why people accepted the callous deletion of evidence/obstruction of justice. At the very least she should have been punished for that.
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« Reply #9352 on: November 02, 2016, 07:17:51 pm »

I just don't understand why people accepted the callous deletion of evidence/obstruction of justice. At the very least she should have been punished for that[/i.

Double standard? Bush and other people did that and they didn't get into trouble.
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« Reply #9353 on: November 02, 2016, 07:19:08 pm »

Did I say I didn't think Bush should have been too? Bush has more stuff to answer for, too, but Bush isn't currently running for President.
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« Reply #9354 on: November 02, 2016, 07:20:11 pm »

Did I say I didn't think Bush should have been too?

No, but you didn't the reverse either.
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« Reply #9355 on: November 02, 2016, 07:33:08 pm »

Did I say I didn't think Bush should have been too? Bush has more stuff to answer for, too, but Bush isn't currently running for President.
But Trump is, and Trump deleted/shredded things known to be important, rather than the mostly no-story stuff which is the best the Hillary-hounders can dredge up...
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« Reply #9356 on: November 02, 2016, 07:35:21 pm »

But Trump is, and Trump deleted/shredded things known to be important, rather than the mostly no-story stuff which is the best the Hillary-hounders can dredge up...
Do you see the irony inherent in accusing Trump of deleting important information

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« Reply #9357 on: November 02, 2016, 07:40:25 pm »

But Trump is, and Trump deleted/shredded things known to be important, rather than the mostly no-story stuff which is the best the Hillary-hounders can dredge up...
Do you see the irony inherent in accusing Trump of deleting important information

In a broad sense, but not acutely, no.

Though I guess in Trump's case it'd be multiple broads.
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« Reply #9358 on: November 02, 2016, 07:41:54 pm »

what a strange world full of odd men this is

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« Reply #9359 on: November 02, 2016, 07:42:54 pm »

But Trump is, and Trump deleted/shredded things known to be important, rather than the mostly no-story stuff which is the best the Hillary-hounders can dredge up...
Do you see the irony inherent in accusing Trump of deleting important information
No, not at all. Because I was already pointing out the irony inherent in accusing Hillary of deleting important information.  No take-backsies...
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