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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8625 on: October 26, 2016, 08:39:31 am »

Sorry MSH, just one of those things that gets my beard turning all white and fluffy seeing people talking about finance and any implication of "efficient distribution" in regards to necessary supplies. There are systems which handle things involving bulk procurement and distribution of basic goods and services for all, we call them governments, not letting them handle those things is how we get fun stuff like the US healthcare system, or worse, the US ISP arrangement.

Still, given the choice between someone who at least tries to acknowledge areas where more socialism is needed, and someone who takes the "ok, let us bend you over and shtup ya good and hard, then when we're done we'll see what trickles down" positions of a party to an extreme... it's an easy call.


Efficient distribution is very important, the issue here is bargaining power asymmetry. It's a well known limitation of capitalism, along with imperfect information and high entry/exit costs.

European style socialism uses capitalism because it's such a convenient optimisation algorithm for the economy, but take its well known limitations into account : National agencies accounts for imperfect information with their panels of experts, consumer protection laws mitigate bargaining power asymmetry, and national companies deliver good and services for market that are natural monopolies or have too high entry and exit cost. We also have institutions for things that are vital and therefore shouldn't depend on your score at the big monopoly game of capitalism.

So you can live in poverty, but if you want luxuries you have to play the game. How well you're doing shouldn't affect your children ideally.


It's somewhat the best of both world, but we have three issues that are playing troublemakers : "Soft" corruption, clientelism and nepotism.
Soft corruption is what you can see in Clinton's e-mail : it's collusion between the financial world, the media and the politicians to scratch each other's back. It makes the whole system very likely to favor short term corporate gain over anything else. Of course it's push to a pretty grotesque degree in the US, but it's a huge issue here too.

Clientelism is basically getting peoples indebted to you everywhere in the administration, and giving a lot of favours to some peoples in your electorate in order to gain vote. It's sadly common in Wallonia, where peoples from all parties have been caught offering illegal favours (up to trying to influence a judge). Of that riddled our administration with absolutely useless peoples that are just a drain and unlikely to ever getting fired.


Nepotism is simply favouring one's own family and is a pretty obvious and self-explanatory issue.


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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8626 on: October 26, 2016, 11:29:23 am »

? There can be multiple meanings of the word. I certainly wouldn't call it proselytizing. To be taught, one has to want to be taught. That was my point. To change your mind, and particularly your mindset, you have to be willing.
Of course you wouldn't call it proselytizing, it doesn't sound as nice when your motives are made honestly clear lol
Mm. And you, of course, never try to convince anyone of your viewpoint. Which is what proselytize means, essentially. To promote, persuade, recruit, or convince someone to join a cause. So very immoral. But I still don't think that's accurate for what I'm describing, where nothing is specifically being pushed. Rethinking your beliefs and looking into what else might be more accurate is a different matter than being persuaded to join a specific cause.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8627 on: October 26, 2016, 11:39:46 am »

I'm at a truck parts auction right now listening to hillbillies rant about Hilary....

Jesus christ it is amazing the amount of disinformation these people consume without questioning it. Hilary would abort a child a week before birth? THE NERVE OF THAT BITCH. ><
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« Reply #8628 on: October 26, 2016, 12:09:27 pm »

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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8629 on: October 26, 2016, 12:20:36 pm »

I'm at a truck parts auction right now listening to hillbillies rant about Hilary....

Jesus christ it is amazing the amount of disinformation these people consume without questioning it. Hilary would abort a child a week before birth? THE NERVE OF THAT BITCH. ><

Sounds about like my dad when he gets on politics, which happens way more than I wish it would these days.

Hillary has people assassinated all of the time and has it covered up as suicides, apparently.  And Obama was, of course, born in Kenya and never released his birth certificate.  When I pointed out that he indeed had, the response was, "Something was fishy about it."  Also something something liberal media, something something planned parenthood videos, etc.

I'm way, way too passive of a person to try to correct him, and know it wouldn't do any good anyway.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8630 on: October 26, 2016, 12:50:54 pm »

I'm at a truck parts auction right now listening to hillbillies rant about Hilary....

Jesus christ it is amazing the amount of disinformation these people consume without questioning it. Hilary would abort a child a week before birth? THE NERVE OF THAT BITCH. ><
And by that, they don't mean "She'd change the law to allow late-term abortions" they literally mean that she's perform the abortion herself by ripping the fetus out with her robotic deathclaw, laughing maniacally.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8631 on: October 26, 2016, 01:11:34 pm »

And then she'd kick a dog and twirl her evil beard.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8632 on: October 26, 2016, 01:34:27 pm »

I'm at a truck parts auction right now listening to hillbillies rant about Hilary....

Jesus christ it is amazing the amount of disinformation these people consume without questioning it. Hilary would abort a child a week before birth? THE NERVE OF THAT BITCH. ><
Probably because Trump said it in the debate.  Because quintupling down on lies has almost no downside, particularly compared to the benefits.  It's the Big Lie...  There *is* factchecking, but mostly for those willing to research it.  Most people probably don't even watch the very basic post-event factchecking (of course, most of that is just "Democrats how do you feel" "We feel we won" "How about you Republicans" "We feel we won").
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8633 on: October 26, 2016, 01:42:02 pm »

Once again... if there is a riot or worse because Trump loses... He is going to take 0 responsibility for it...

In spite of the fact that he did everything in his power to ensure it would happen outside just coming out and telling them to riot.

I mean he already "Implied" people should shoot Hillary Clinton./

He does know that being President means you are trying to take responsibility for the lives and wellbeing of all Americans right? It isn't a beauty pageant.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8634 on: October 26, 2016, 01:49:16 pm »

I'm at a truck parts auction right now listening to hillbillies rant about Hilary....

Jesus christ it is amazing the amount of disinformation these people consume without questioning it. Hilary would abort a child a week before birth? THE NERVE OF THAT BITCH. ><
And by that, they don't mean "She'd change the law to allow late-term abortions" they literally mean that she's perform the abortion herself by ripping the fetus out with her robotic deathclaw, laughing maniacally.
I know some of you are artistically inclined and I expect a drawing of this on my desk before the day is out!
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8635 on: October 26, 2016, 01:56:49 pm »

Once again... if there is a riot or worse because Trump loses... He is going to take 0 responsibility for it...

In spite of the fact that he did everything in his power to ensure it would happen outside just coming out and telling them to riot.

I mean he already "Implied" people should shoot Hillary Clinton./

He does know that being President means you are trying to take responsibility for the lives and wellbeing of all Americans right? It isn't a beauty pageant.
But of course! Because Republicans "know" that only lefties get violent. (I have seen this proffered, with no snark, as an answer. By what was presumably, a living, breathing human.)

Meanwhile, this election continues to disintegrate the sanity of Dilbert's Scott Adams, who tweeted that "If there are no sponsored terror attacks before Election Day, it means ISIS prefers Clinton. They have the means. Think about it. #Trump"

EDIT: Oh, and calling everyone who disagrees with him "paid Clinton bullies".
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« Reply #8636 on: October 26, 2016, 02:01:06 pm »

It actually makes a very absurd sort of sense, however, it assumes that ISIS feels that there net benefit for shifting the probability towards Trump a few percents would be worth the cost and risk.
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Re: Doc Helgoland's Asylum for the Politically American
« Reply #8637 on: October 26, 2016, 02:03:07 pm »

I realized Adams was fucked in the head when he unveiled his grand plan of "make Trump President, but force him to have Bernie as a cuck advisor".
It actually makes a very absurd sort of sense, however, it assumes that ISIS feels that there net benefit for shifting the probability towards Trump a few percents would be worth the cost and risk.
Given the state of things, I don't think the previous assumption of ISIS having the means is true. They're very busy getting murdered by the SAS and seiged by everybody. All the "ISIS attacks" in America were carried out by domestic lone wolves, and while they can say they were ISIS members, that puts the qualifications for membership kind of low.
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« Reply #8638 on: October 26, 2016, 02:06:18 pm »

Which kind of makes sense.

Since pissing of the USA is a very bad idea for them.
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« Reply #8639 on: October 26, 2016, 02:15:13 pm »

Once again... if there is a riot or worse because Trump loses... He is going to take 0 responsibility for it...

In spite of the fact that he did everything in his power to ensure it would happen outside just coming out and telling them to riot.

I mean he already "Implied" people should shoot Hillary Clinton./

He does know that being President means you are trying to take responsibility for the lives and wellbeing of all Americans right? It isn't a beauty pageant.
But of course! Because Republicans "know" that only lefties get violent. (I have seen this proffered, with no snark, as an answer. By what was presumably, a living, breathing human.)

Meanwhile, this election continues to disintegrate the sanity of Dilbert's Scott Adams, who tweeted that "If there are no sponsored terror attacks before Election Day, it means ISIS prefers Clinton. They have the means. Think about it. #Trump"

EDIT: Oh, and calling everyone who disagrees with him "paid Clinton bullies".

Speaking of Scott Adams, he said yesterday that he supports Trump, but if Trump does anything 'that looks slightly Hitlerish', he vows to assist in Trumps assassination.

Wouldn't be surprised if he got himself marked by the Secret Service already.

Which kind of makes sense.

Since pissing of the USA is a very bad idea for them.

Since when do they care if it's a bad idea or not? They want to piss off the US.

edit: Why the heck did I write Douglas Adams instead of Scott Adams? *Facepalm*
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