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[RedKing]

Ever get the impression that the USA is anti-south?

Every day of my life?

Though to be fair, in the last 10 years, we haven't done much to prove them wrong. Or rather, a whole lot of people been tryin' to prove them right.

The "New South" of the 1990's and 2000's seems to be backsliding this decade into "South Classic". Only with marginally less black-hating, and a hell of a lot more Hispanic- and queer-hating.
If it weren't for my kids, I'd be a lot more serious about hitting the eject button and moving north or west. Instead, we found our little bastion of progressivism and we'll fight to the death to defend it. If the Trumpocalypse comes, it'll be a ragtag band of middle-aged writers, hipster foodies and organic farmers defending our borders against a shit-ton of trailer parks.

I hope somebody can develop an organic, fair-trade, bacon-wrapped (cruelty-free) bazooka.

[Neonivek]

I don't think it is backsliding so much that things are bubbling up (Same way that Brexit didn't create racism in the UK, it just gave people the idea to act and give them an impression of togetherness in the cause of anti-foreigners)

A Lion can seem like a calm and benign animal while asleep.

Oddly enough I have a friend who lives in a Trailer park in the South and GOODNESS is it described like hell! I am surprised there aren't more fatalities from just living there (not in terms of violence... lets just say when it gets hot... People fry)

Though his stories are kind of interesting because he mostly doesn't have a very high opinion on social programs because they tend to be pitted against him. Since while he is poor he isn't part of the "Privileged poor" so to speak and has been genuinely downtrodden by these programs or people who push them.

Which I found fascinating since it FINALLY puts a face on to why Liberalism can be resisted so strongly... Because it doesn't reflect the reality that a lot of people there live.

I mean yeah I have to take it with a grain of salt... but still.

[Rolepgeek]

Ever get the impression that the USA is anti-south?

I mean... the USA did reinvent the entire dang civil war to put the entire south as the bad guys regardless of their actual intentions and is to this day still reinventing it to strengthen this national viewpoint.
-Being "Southern" is a insult in the USA and a lot of prejudices within the USA are formed towards the south.
-All cultural differences the south has is considered anathema that must be expunged.

Which come to think of it... Is probably one of the reasons why the South ended up entrenching themselves belief wise.

Reconstruction was handled horribly. Civil War being 'reinvented' is a bit much, though.

Beyond that, it's status games. Though which precise cultural differences are you talking about?

[Neonivek]

Civil War being 'reinvented' is a bit much, though.

I mean I guess it is how much you believe that every single person who lived in the south had devil horns or not.

Though which precise cultural differences are you talking about?

What do you got?

Even Country Music is considered heinous

[Egan_BW]

Ever get the impression that the USA is anti-south?

Every day of my life?

Though to be fair, in the last 10 years, we haven't done much to prove them wrong. Or rather, a whole lot of people been tryin' to prove them right.

The "New South" of the 1990's and 2000's seems to be backsliding this decade into "South Classic". Only with marginally less black-hating, and a hell of a lot more Hispanic- and queer-hating.
If it weren't for my kids, I'd be a lot more serious about hitting the eject button and moving north or west. Instead, we found our little bastion of progressivism and we'll fight to the death to defend it. If the Trumpocalypse comes, it'll be a ragtag band of middle-aged writers, hipster foodies and organic farmers defending our borders against a shit-ton of trailer parks.

I hope somebody can develop an organic, fair-trade, bacon-wrapped (cruelty-free) bazooka.

Our state is a pile of salamanders, there is no hope.
But hey, if West Virginia can become a state because of a civil war, I think we can split off northwest carolina because of a trumpocalypce.
And build a wall around it.

[Rolepgeek]

Civil War being 'reinvented' is a bit much, though.

I mean I guess it is how much you believe that every single person who lived in the south had devil horns or not.

Is that how it's taught where you are? Certainly different from how I was.

Though which precise cultural differences are you talking about?

What do you got?

Even Country Music is considered heinous

Country music is Southern now?
Here I thought it was Western, and Bluegrass was Southern. That also seems more like a meme than anything else, but that might be because I live in a semi-rural part of my state.

[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Civil war was because slavery. Other reasons may have existed, but the South? No fucking way you can spin them as the good guys.

[NullForceOmega]

Civil war was because of States' Rights, proposed slavery legislation was just the tipping point that made the whole thing erupt.

The Confederate States of America was created because the states that composed it wanted to have less Federal interference in how the regulated themselves, they weren't 'evil', or even 'bad'.  They were people who felt that their government was stepping on their right to self-govern.

Slavery was just one of the issues that lead to the American Civil War, best to keep that in mind.

[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

Well, yeah. States want to keep enslaving people, but they can't, so they get pissed and leave.

Still doesn't sound so good for the South.

[Neonivek]

Well, yeah. States want to keep enslaving people, but they can't, so they get pissed and leave.

Still doesn't sound so good for the South.

Ok... Here is a question for you.

What percent of the south owned a slave or benefited from a slave?

6% at its max.

Meaning 94% of the population fought for slavery that they in no way benefited.

[NullForceOmega]

That is not a healthy position to take, yes, slavery is bad and needed to be removed.  I am firmly on the Union side on that point, but what the Confederates wanted was more control of their laws and regulations, to them it wasn't about slaves, it was about people who had never set foot in their states dictating policy to them.

[Neonivek]

I am firmly on the Union side on that point

Well... Like how the Confederates weren't fighting to keep slavery going. (well not all of them)

The Union wasn't fighting to end slavery. That occurred after the civil war already begun.

HECK Abraham Lincoln got to office basically saying that he would keep Slavery going. He might have been Abolitionist but like most people he thought of it in a sort of "Someday" sort of mindset.

[NullForceOmega]

The vast majority of Union states were anti-slave, their attempt at legislating the end of slavery is what actually pushed the Confederates to secede.  What Abraham's policies/campaign planks were is not relevant here.  You are correct that the Union 'wasn't' fighting to end slavery, they were fighting to force the Confederates to accept federal mandates, which happened to include measures to end slavery.

[Sheb]

Do we really have to go through this again? The fact that it was about slavery was pretty explicit in the various confederate declarations of independence.

[Neonivek]

The vast majority of Union states were anti-slave, their attempt at legislating the end of slavery is what actually pushed the Confederates to secede.  What Abraham's policies/campaign planks were is not relevant here.

Yes but remember... That most people had a very wishy washy belief in abolishment.

You would find the same thing in the time of MLK.

Do we really have to go through this again? The fact that it was about slavery was pretty explicit in the various confederate declarations of independence.

In a few... Sort of (One wasn't about Slavery so much as not wanting to recognize the rights of another)

But the difference is that not everyone fought for those reasons. As well who were the ones who would write those declarations? Ohh right... Rich Land Owners who would likely have slaves.

The revisionism has turned the entire Civil War into a battle between good versus evil because it looks better to modern ideals.