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[Rolepgeek]

Does that make him literally ineligible for president or just more reasons why people on every side of the aisle should despise him and wait for the next populist candidate?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Eugene Debs got 6% of the popular vote while in prison for sedition, so no.

[Rolepgeek]

Eugene Debs got 6% of the popular vote while in prison for sedition, so no.

Oh, I'm certain one can get votes. I mean actually getting to be president.

[Starver]

Trump is a Democrat sleeper, obviously...

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I suppose that would depend on whether or not Congress was willing to pass and uphold articles of impeachment against an alleged or convicted criminal who won the election anyway.

[Rolepgeek]

Ah, good. Considering his support among congress members, that gives me hope that in the slim chance he wins, we have a second chance. Which would also be slim, but hey. Maybe it wouldn't start too many riots.

[smjjames]

Eugene Debs got 6% of the popular vote while in prison for sedition, so no.

Oh, I'm certain one can get votes. I mean actually getting to be president.

I don't really know to be honest, though sure he could be impeached, and this kind of thing usually sinks politicians chances.

I suppose that would depend on whether or not Congress was willing to pass and uphold articles of impeachment against an alleged or convicted criminal who won the election anyway.

They might try to do that on Clinton, but the opposition against Trump is pretty bipartisan, so, they'd have an actual reason along with little resistance from Republicans.

[mainiac]

the opposition against Trump is pretty bipartisan

If this is the way we are using the word "bipartisan" these days, we suck at bipartisanship.  Sure some of them dont like him but he is the freaking nominee.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

This seems like the natural evolution of bipartisan standards, given what they've been.

[Frumple]

If this is the way we are using the word "bipartisan" these days, we suck at bipartisanship.  Sure some of them dont like him but he is the freaking nominee.

Fair chunk, by all appearances. It's bipartisan in the sense you might actually get more than two republican politicians to vote to impeach the guy if it came to it.

... some people have really low standards for bipartisanship, these days.

[Rolepgeek]

the opposition against Trump is pretty bipartisan

If this is the way we are using the word "bipartisan" these days, we suck at bipartisanship.  Sure some of them dont like him but he is the freaking nominee.

Moral Standards Trump Party Loyalty

Finest slogan I can imagine for the anti-Trump Republican campaign at this point.

[Erkki]

-snippy snippy-

I... Can you provide sources for this information?  As an avid gun collector who has spent years trying to find factual, moral justification for his hobby (and mostly failed), I would be exceptional interested in actual sources.  Not to insult you or anything, but the vast majority of gun-positive hearsay I've fact-checked ended up being false or misrepresented, despite my biases, so I'm a tad mistrusting of your anecdotes.  :\

Yes, can provide non-wikipedia sources for everything. I'll PM you later today to avoid cluttering this thread any more(also need to dig up some of the links, I'm not at home atm).

Mind you, I dont think that everyone needs or should have a gun either. I have a feeling that especially short guns / handguns carried and in hands of inexperienced people(= most, as many who get a gun in US for self defense never practice using it nor practice other means of self defense) have an overall negative safety/health effect, but I still believe everyone including the weak should have the right and means to defend themselves. My own rifles are for hunting, target shooting and SHTF situations, I dont carry, although carrying isnt legal here either.

I'm not sure why you need moral justification; guns are useful, shooting is fun and many have interesting history or technology. Same goes for, say, knives or swords, vehicles and so forth. As long as you handle them responsibly and dont let them fall in wrong hands, you're one of the good guys. 

[Reelya]

I can't keep up anymore. Ivanka Trump is on holidays in Eastern Europe. Her travel buddy? Putin's girlfriend (who also happens to be Rupert Murdoch's ex-wife).
http://gawker.com/ivanka-trump-hanging-out-in-croatia-with-vladimir-putin-1785290129

They apparently go way back. Wendi set Ivanka up with her husband. But it definitely raises some "issues", if the American President's daughter is best friends with the mistress of the Russian President / ex KGB head.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

The plot twist is that it's not a political plot but actually a hot lesbian getaway.

Uh...in Croatia.

[Reelya]

Apparently the Wendi Deng / Putin link isn't 100% backed by photographic evidence, but we do have photos of her palling around on the yacht belonging to one of Putin's best friends - billionaire Roman Abramovich. So, the most charitable conclusion is that Ivanka is best pals with a girl who pals around with Russian oligarchs who are buddies with Putin:

Abramovich was the first person to originally recommend to Yeltsin that Vladimir Putin be his successor as the Russian president. When Putin formed his first cabinet as Prime Minister in 1999, Abramovich interviewed each of the candidates for cabinet positions before they were approved. Subsequently Abramovich would remain one of Putin's closest confidants. In 2007 Putin consulted in meetings with Abramovich on the question of who should be his successor as president - Medvedev was personally recommended by Abramovich.

So yeah, her connections might actually look worse that just banging Putin.