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[martinuzz]

I wonder if some day we get to try it out for ourselves because, technically speaking, Russia is going to be affected the least by the climate change, in fact it could be even positive for us.... ahhh, sweet dreams.

Enjoy your permafrost turning into mosquito infested swamps. If you're really unlucky some prehistoric variant of the bubonic plague will awaken from hibernation as well.

[Sergarr]

Ecology disruption is never a benefit.

[citation needed]

Hope you like dead trees.

Russia has, like, stupid amount of trees spread across several different climactic belts. Besides, what's the relationship between dead trees and climate change?

I wonder if some day we get to try it out for ourselves because, technically speaking, Russia is going to be affected the least by the climate change, in fact it could be even positive for us.... ahhh, sweet dreams.

Enjoy your permafrost turning into mosquito infested swamps. If you're really unlucky some prehistoric variant of the bubonic plague will awaken from hibernation as well.

We've got the biggest, baddest biological warfare force on the planet, I'm sure we'll be able to handle stuff like that.

[Egan_BW]

I also doubt that Russia will benefit from fossil fuel depletion.

[Reelya]

I wonder if some day we get to try it out for ourselves because, technically speaking, Russia is going to be affected the least by the climate change, in fact it could be even positive for us.... ahhh, sweet dreams.

Enjoy your permafrost turning into mosquito infested swamps. If you're really unlucky some prehistoric variant of the bubonic plague will awaken from hibernation as well.

Drain the Swamp. Make Yakutsk Great Again.

I also doubt that Russia will benefit from fossil fuel depletion.

Natural gas will just start bubbling out of the ground in Yakutsk when the frost melts. The Russians will have a party about that, but I don't think the rest of the world is going to be too please when trillions of tons of Siberian methane start bubbling away.

[smjjames]

I wonder if some day we get to try it out for ourselves because, technically speaking, Russia is going to be affected the least by the climate change, in fact it could be even positive for us.... ahhh, sweet dreams.

Enjoy your permafrost turning into mosquito infested swamps. If you're really unlucky some prehistoric variant of the bubonic plague will awaken from hibernation as well.

And you've already had a massive heatwave up there, with fire even.

BTW, you're closer to the pole than we are (with the exception of Alaska). Enjoy the loss of ice protecting your subs, muahahaha. (yes, I know it makes almost no difference at all).

[majikero]

I wonder if some day we get to try it out for ourselves because, technically speaking, Russia is going to be affected the least by the climate change, in fact it could be even positive for us.... ahhh, sweet dreams.

Actually, due to permafrost melting, pockets of methane are being released in Siberia. Explosively sometimes.

Well, these places may become more habitable though so technically its a net benefit for Russia.

[smjjames]

I wonder if some day we get to try it out for ourselves because, technically speaking, Russia is going to be affected the least by the climate change, in fact it could be even positive for us.... ahhh, sweet dreams.

Actually, due to permafrost melting, pockets of methane are being released in Siberia. Explosively sometimes.

Well, these places may become more habitable though so technically its a net benefit for Russia.

Explosively? Proof? I know methane explodes, but just asking. _{mainly I just want to see how big the craters are, heh}

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Hope you like dead trees.

Russia has, like, stupid amount of trees spread across several different climactic belts. Besides, what's the relationship between dead trees and climate change?

Much of Russia's trees are dependent upon the permafrost layer to live. Its rapid destruction will result in a mass die-off, which aside from the normal host of problems that this causes will also probably trigger mass desertification and collapse the local ecosystem entirely.

[martinuzz]

Explosively? Proof? I know methane explodes, but just asking. _{mainly I just want to see how big the craters are, heh}

http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-exploding-permafrost-methane-craters-global-warming-2016-6?international=true&r=US&IR=T

[Silverthrone]

I would imagine that the last thing Siberia could want would be an extension of the Mud Season. Surely.

Speaking of, people tend to talk rather lively about the new possibilities to grow grapes and establish wineries in new locations. There is less eagerness to talk of all the wine-producing areas that will disappear.

These things costs something.

[Reelya]

You want a big crater from methane explosions and melting permafrost?



See that treeline on that cliff? That's the original level of the ground in this area in the 1960s. Because of warming the entire ground itself is continuously collapsing and the locals report frequent explosion sounds. All the foreground (left picture) was actually underground for millienia. This thing is just growing now eating the whole region.

[martinuzz]

related: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/11/23/mysterious-siberian-craters-may-have-an-underwater-analogue-scientists-say/

[smjjames]

If Russia could tap that methane somehow...... Sounds like a dwarfy project.

edit: Underwater versions, cool. (Not in a 'cool-I-want-the-world-to-end way, cool in a SCIENCE! way)

[Reelya]

IDK, to tap the methane at that scale sounds like machinery etc is not the way to go about it. e.g. if we had methane-eating soil microbes or could engineer inert microbes that eat methane, then that would probably be far more cost-effective and practical even in a scientific sense than trying to capture it with technological solutions. It's just seeping out of the ground everywhere, so there are few points to concentrate on. So a biotech solution that binds the methane into the soil as carbon would be best.

When they say Siberia has permafrost, they don't mean like some layer of ice/snow on top, like what people would normally think of, they mean the entire ground itself is held up by a mix of ice, rock and soil. Which is why entire large chunks of the land itself are collapsing now. Ice got packed into the sediments itself over millions of years, then trees and things grew on top of that.

[smjjames]

Yeah, I wasn't being serious about tapping it, was just thinking it might be a dwarfy thing to do, or take advantage of.

Anyways, the same thing is happening in Alaska. Not sure about the methane explosions, but the permafrost is definetly melting up there.