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[PTTG??]

The level of solipsism required to think Trump is acceptable renders all facts inscrutable.

[smjjames]

Regardless, I find all this hilarious in light of the months and months of baseless hysteria about Clinton's alleged desire to war on Russia. The rift between Trump and Congress begins, and they aren't even in session yet.

IMO, the rift was already present, plenty of Republicans were aghast at Trump's overtures to Putin. They hated Clinton much more than that (and the fact that 'Republicans fall in line, at least when voting), and so, they dropped it for the election. The rifts we saw in the Republicans, especially between the establishment and Trump, never went away, they just got thinly plastered over temporarily.

[origamiscienceguy]

Trump just ditched his Press again

[Ghills]

Trump just ditched his Press again

On one hand, I'm sure that Trump will use ditching his press pool as a way to make shady deals and do other stupid things without being on record.

On the other hand, I have a small sliver of sympathy. If journalists wanted to follow me around all day I would ditch them at every opportunity.

[Loud Whispers]

Regardless, I find all this hilarious in light of the months and months of baseless hysteria about Clinton's alleged desire to war on Russia. The rift between Trump and Congress begins, and they aren't even in session yet.

Clinton did desire war with Russia
The first clue was that she drummed up anti-Russian sentiment whilst secretary and used Russian connections as an insult to her opponents

The second, more meaningful clue was that she still wanted to destroy the Syrian and Iranian regime, and her top priority was to impose a no-fly zone over Syria. After Murrican generals told congress that it would be impossible to impose a no-fly zone over Syria without either the consent of Russia or declaring war on Russia, she pursued anyways whilst lacking consent from Russia. Thus either she was not serious about Middle Eastern policy, which given her track record with Middle Eastern nations evidently is not true, war with Russia was probable under her adminsitration

[WealthyRadish]

The first clue

The second, more meaningful clue

Scott Adams, is that you?

[wierd]

Re: SCADA hacking, presumably Russian origin

You know kids, the security failures of the scada networks behind the aged US power grid have been publicly decried by cyber security people for at least 10 years now. If I were a foreign intelligence agency, I know that I would want to be kept informed about the state of such tactical vulnerabilities in rival nations, which means I would be conducting silent penetration tests on them.

That means I would not be surprised to find Russian penetration tests, Iranian pen tests, or Chinese pen tests.

That the kit found is of Russian origin means little anyway. It may not be the Russian govt behind it, even if it IS a Russian govt toolkit.  Remember a certain infamous network worm of US/Israel origin that infected half the planet, and was quickly appropriated and repurposed by hackers worldwide in the early 2000s? If not, a little history is in order.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet

Just a short time later, a rogue version was discovered in the wild, after being repurposed by blackhat hackers, known as duqu.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duqu

Blackhats are not at all bashful about tearing into shiny new tools made by other blackhats, and lifting useful exploit code. That is why code of Russian govt origin being found does not itself firmly link Russia with this infiltration attempt, any more than a duqu Infection means the US or Israel are involved.

The media and the three letter agencies are trying very hard to make a connection that just does not have enough evidence, out of a political motive.

[smjjames]

Well, they're now saying that the code matches the one that they found in the DNC computers (I guess the same sort of phishing email download malware kind of thing), so, I doubt that they'd be sounding the alarm over a mere penetration test.

I did say earlier though that it seemed like something that they'd rather keep quiet or down low until they actually had information on it and actual information to give other than 'We found something' and 'It looks Russian'. Besides, the laptop wasn't even connected to the grid or the computers connected to the grid, which makes it sound like it's the CEO's laptop or one of the managers or otherwise someones personal laptop that is company owned.

[wierd]

The DNC hack used code of Russian origin, yes.

Again, that does not definitively mean Russia was involved. Blackhats use stolen code all the time.

[TempAcc]

Nor does it put a false flag out of the question, this is the CIA we're talking about after all :U

[smjjames]

We don't need to fall to conspiracy BS, but still, considering the politically charged climate and how the CIA has been dishonest in the past, there is certainly reason to be skeptical.

I do agree that they seem to be making a bigger deal out of it than they need to because by all indications, it's a personal (even if company owned) laptop that was never connected to the network that controls the grid. Plus being vague as all heck.

[Bumber]

Is 2016 finally over, or has the 13th month now begun?

[SaberToothTiger]

its never ogre

[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

The THIRTEEEEEENTH!

[MrRoboto75]

Is 2016 finally over, or has the 13th month now begun?

2016 2: The Squeakquel