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[Dozebôm Lolumzalěs]

Why is everyone so bad at statistics?

Human's logical part of the brain isn't naturally well-suited for fuzzy and uncertain statements.

Sergarr you've managed to reverse the Hollywood evil AI logic. It' s humans that are supposed to be good at handling fuzziness and the uncertain, and robots which are stuck in their programming.

Of course the AI cannot easily deal with fuzziness on its own, but it can be programmed to do so. Fuzzy logic and such.

And "humans cannot innately fuzzmath well" =/= "robots can innately fuzzmath well".

[Reelya]

Of course the AI cannot easily deal with fuzziness on its own

IDK, what does "on it's own" even mean in this context? An AI is a construct, it is what it is. The whole idea that computer programs "can't deal" with multi-value variables (which is what "fuzzy" logic basically means) is based on a pile of hollywood assumptions and pre-existing biases.

The "floating point number" is a built-in data type in CPUs, and is inherently "fuzzy". It's just as "inherent" as bits and bytes. So in other words the tools to implement fuzzy logic are already implemented at the hardware level, let alone the software level. How about Neural Networks? Those are AI, and they consist of nothing but fuzzy logic calculations, and the whole thing can be easily implemented with very low level code which calls basic hardware-level CPU functions. That's exactly AI utilizing fuzzy logic "on it's own".

After all, neurons are binary they have two states: firing or not firing. Yet the whole human thing is implemented on top of that basis.

[LoSboccacc]

the leaks were clearly from Russian sources from the beginning.

there are TWO named sources it was an insider, but eh. keep believing the inane 'Putin was involved directly' like yeah, he personally flew to Penn to stuff ballots.

Which one? The only one I saw was a British ex-ambassador with an axe to grind.

That, Assanage and Comey. Each has a different axe to grind but still, closest sourced claim and definitely better than 'someone said Russia' - which'd be at the same level of FBIAnon as credibility.


 

[TheBiggerFish]

Of course the AI cannot easily deal with fuzziness on its own

IDK, what does "on it's own" even mean in this context? An AI is a construct, it is what it is. The whole idea that computer programs "can't deal" with multi-value variables (which is what "fuzzy" logic basically means) is based on a pile of hollywood assumptions and pre-existing biases.

The "floating point number" is a built-in data type in CPUs, and is inherently "fuzzy". It's just as "inherent" as bits and bytes. So in other words the tools to implement fuzzy logic are already implemented at the hardware level, let alone the software level. How about Neural Networks? Those are AI, and they consist of nothing but fuzzy logic calculations, and the whole thing can be easily implemented with very low level code which calls basic hardware-level CPU functions. That's exactly AI utilizing fuzzy logic "on it's own".

After all, neurons are binary they have two states: firing or not firing. Yet the whole human thing is implemented on top of that basis.

Er, I'm pretty sure there are degrees of firing, but yeah.

[martinuzz]

Obama promised Russia that he will take measures to punish Russia for meddling with the US elections.
"I think there is no doubt, that when a foreign nation tries to influence the integrity of our elections, we need to take action... And we will. In a time and place of our choosing. Some of it may be made public, some of it may not. Mister Putin known what my stance on this is, I have spoken to him directly about it."


So if anytime soon you see a Russian nuclear plant go Tsjernobyl, it's probably Obama's counterhacking team.

[Vilanat]

Nah, Obama would do nothing. "time and place of our choosing" is basically: let me stall just enough time to kick it down the road and blame Trump for all of this.

[Descan]

Of course the AI cannot easily deal with fuzziness on its own

IDK, what does "on it's own" even mean in this context? An AI is a construct, it is what it is. The whole idea that computer programs "can't deal" with multi-value variables (which is what "fuzzy" logic basically means) is based on a pile of hollywood assumptions and pre-existing biases.

The "floating point number" is a built-in data type in CPUs, and is inherently "fuzzy". It's just as "inherent" as bits and bytes. So in other words the tools to implement fuzzy logic are already implemented at the hardware level, let alone the software level. How about Neural Networks? Those are AI, and they consist of nothing but fuzzy logic calculations, and the whole thing can be easily implemented with very low level code which calls basic hardware-level CPU functions. That's exactly AI utilizing fuzzy logic "on it's own".

After all, neurons are binary they have two states: firing or not firing. Yet the whole human thing is implemented on top of that basis.

Er, I'm pretty sure there are degrees of firing, but yeah.

Sometimes. He's talking about action potentials, though, which are all or nothing. There are some forms of neural communication, usually dendrite-to-dendrite, that are more graduated. But the most famous form is the AP which is all-or-nothing and only fires when another form of graduated communication sums up enough to flip it and fire.

[Phmcw]

What did the Russian do anyway? Publish unedited e-mails of the Clinton Administration?
Just to put things in perspective, America and its allies armed Syrian rebels, once again in total disregard for international law. This is unproven, and would be very tame if it was true.

I also don't see how anything discussed would make Trump a "Russian prostitute". If the CIA can and is willing to send us proof of corruption of Belgian officials, please do. The E-mails were a very interesting insight in the inner working of Clinton's administration and a lot of peoples didn't like what they saw.

Honestly, I am once again seeing a perfect symmetry between Republicans and Democrats at this point, with a red scare 2.0 that is the mirror image of this
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/communist-defector-speaks-out-on-americas-marxist-future/

[Loud Whispers]

What did the Russian do anyway? Publish unedited e-mails of the Clinton Administration?
Just to put things in perspective, America and its allies armed Syrian rebels, once again in total disregard for international law. This is unproven, and would be very tame if it was true.
I also don't see how anything discussed would make Trump a "Russian prostitute". If the CIA can and is willing to send us proof of corruption of Belgian officials, please do. The E-mails were a very interesting insight in the inner working of Clinton's administration and a lot of peoples didn't like what they saw.
Honestly, I am once again seeing a perfect symmetry between Republicans and Democrats at this point, with a red scare 2.0 that is the mirror image of this
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/communist-defector-speaks-out-on-americas-marxist-future/

It is rather funny seeing Hillary not defend the content of the emails but attack that they're public at all
Delicious corruption
I also can't take much stock in Democrat narratives of national sovereignty without foreign influence when Obama, Clinton and Trump all tried to affect the UK's referendum on national sovereignty without foreign influence :|

[MetalSlimeHunt]

That's because you're not a real country, you're all just automaton clone buds taken from the Queen's back mole. Technically, they were all only trying to influence one person, and she's not even of this Earth anyway.

[Reelya]

I'm not sure, the Russian hacking is based from reports by the intelligence agencies, whereas that story is in 'aim.org' and cites pjmedia as it's source. 'Aim.org' should be taken with a grain of salt. When one of their header tabs is "Benghazi" then you know you have a winner right there. One of their headlines is "The Red Diaper Baby in Obama’s Red Cover-Up":

The shocking truth can finally be told. His parents, Elliott and Mary Maraniss, along with Davis, were members of the same international conspiracy which had groomed Obama for the presidency, in order to hasten the decline and destruction of the United States.

^ And I didn't even have to search to find this. Open aim.org, click "CIJ Reports" and it's the third link on that page.

"Aim" claims to be a media watchdog against liberal media, except it's just a clearinghouse for bizarre conspiracy theories and "news of the world" level tabloid stuff. Compare that to Media Matters, which is a liberal watchdog of conservative news. Except everything Media Matters says is true: they just state what the conservatives are saying and basically let you make up your own mind about the spin.

So, it's crazy loon fringe websites saying that Obama Communist stuff, as opposed to reports coming out of over a dozen established intelligence agencies on the other side. Sure, both are saying that the Russians are trying to influence the USA, but the sources and information content are completely different, not "perfect symmetry" whatsoever.

[Loud Whispers]

That's because you're not a real country, you're all just automaton clone buds taken from the Queen's back mole. Technically, they were all only trying to influence one person, and she's not even of this Earth anyway.

Check your mammal privilege, xenos clonebuds are people too

[LoSboccacc]

reports coming out of over a dozen established intelligence agencies on the other side

plz cite reports and name agencies, heard too many 'muh 17 agencies' without anyone ever providing anything that didn't link all the way back to Washington Post 'nonymous informant', and at this point I'm more curious than anything

[Loud Whispers]

plz cite reports and name agencies, heard too many 'muh 17 agencies' without anyone ever providing anything that didn't link all the way back to Washington Post 'nonymous informant', and at this point I'm more curious than anything

Inb4 why would people supporting Clinton be supporting Clinton
it doesn't make sense

*EDIT
From reuters
Unnamed security officials said it was highly likely Putin either commanded intelligence gathering operations on the US or else had knowledge of them, and allowed it to happen, on the basis that it's unlikely the KGB man doesn't know what his own people are doing. They say their rationale for Putin influencing the US elections is that Putin went from merely showing the Americans that their politicians are just as corrupt as he is to showing that only Clinton is as corrupt as he is.

[Neonivek]

Is Trump the most incompetent person in the universe or something?

It is like, according to the narrative, EVERYONE has won his election EXCEPT him.

The Liberals Won it, Hillary Clinton Won it, Russia Won it, Nazi Magic Won it.

I swear later on they are going to reveal that a high glutton diet somehow makes you vote for Trump.