Technically, we both stole it from Germany.
Germany was never near a working bomb. A lot of technology was taken from the Third Reich, including Rockets and Jet planes, but the only sense in which America "stole" the bomb is in the sense that the Germans exiled Einstein and other intellectuals for "Jewish Physics", and obviously America benefited from that. But your statement is not true, either technically or literally.
Ah, I must have misremembered the German scientist thing as literally stealing science.because they're incapable of producing their own, due to their communism-infected brains being incapable of processing the level of data and workplace discipline necessary to make it.
Wut. Dude, you know I'm an anarcho-socialist, right? Please stop the insults.
Communism is not anarchist-socialism. I don't care what you think on this topic, words have meaning beyond what we choose to call them, and Communism as typically used (and certainly when used by Sergarr) does not refer to Anarcho-socialism. You're just being offended here for the sake of being offended.
Well given how half the US sees liberalism as equivalent to communism, an attack on "communism" is generally an attack on leftism in general, which is why I've developed a kneejerk reaction. But it wasn't actually attacking me, yeah.
But Sergarr is still very wrong 
Oh, certainly the recent activities were sometimes good. But we wouldn't have needed to do those activities if we hadn't fucked up the Middle East in the first place! Without USA's "help", there wouldn't have been an ISIS!
Unknowable. Counterfactuals are always just that: counter-factual. History is not an experiment, and without being able to test experimentally such blanket statements should be avoided.
True... I should have said "America played a role in the creation of ISIS," which is at least possible to prove wrong.Oh, whataboutism? There's a nugget of truth in that fallacy.
All fallacies have nuggets of truth, else no one would use them. My father is a professional con-artist and he rarely says anything that is totally false. The essence of the fallacy is to deflect concern from one country by the crimes of another, something that you two should probably read up on.
My point was never that the USSR was good - the fallacy cannot apply to me. Serg is saying that "US is #1 because countries have done awful things," my point is "US has done awful things too." It still might be the case that America has done the fewest
awful things, though.How exactly does the US do this? Oh, and civil rights are another way that the US is not-really-the-best.
Speak in terms of the relative dear boy, only Sith deal in absolutes. Also the US reliance on peaceful transitions of power is non-controversial.
From my point of view, the Americans are evil! I'm not sure if "reliance" is the term you meant, I don't know what the sentence means.1. Europe is a continent, USA is a country.
Wrong! America is a planet.
wut we've only ever seen authoritarian communism, so just say "authoritarianism, fascism, and dictatorship." Perhaps a distinction between communism (the ideology) and Communism (the historical implementation and system of government) would be useful?
People who argue never agree on the definitions of terms, because if they did then consensus would follow naturally.
Not necessarily; not all disagreement comes from definitions. Some disagreement comes from the clashing of different values. And this
disagreement comes from my tendency to disagree on trivial grounds, just for the sake of disagreement. Wait a second, I thought we were discussing the system of governance, not the success of economies.
This more than anything makes me want to bash all of your heads in with a dictionary.
Communism is economic first and foremost, and everything in Communism flows from its position on Economics. This is one of the fundamental underpinnings of Communism! It's right there in the Communist Manifesto, even. Anyone who says differently either has a grave misunderstanding of Communism and Marxism in general, or stands very far outside the norm of Marxist thought.
Nooooo, that's not what I meant. What I meant was that you can't measure the success or "goodness" of a system of governance by measuring the country's economic success. The latter is affected by the former, but not solely.You can't say the same about USSR. The it provided its slaves was poverty and death.
It wasn't quite as bad as you say it was - remember, there were a few different periods of the USSR. Some were actually somewhat good. It got worse near the end, for a variety of reasons.
Can a brother get some citations up in here? Neither of you provide anything to prove any of your points.
Shit, I can't, it was a half-remembered conversation I had with somebody. Huh, it might not be true. *facepalm*Reality has a liberal bias.
...but what does that even mean?
It's a Stephen Colbert quote man, get with the program.
So it's just a joke?Any attempts at "neutrality" are a communist tactic used to introduce "false equivalence", with the aim of eventually transitioning into communist domination and shutting down all opponent through violent tactics.
Slippery slope fallacy. Also you're demonizing supporters of "neutrality", lol. Funny, you remind me of some Communists I know.
Sergarr is a dyed-in-the-wool
Cold Warrior.
ITT Sergarr is a sweater?Oh come on, we can't violate freedom of speech, freedom of opinion, etc. in order to "save us from the EVIIIIL!" See, this is the liberal version of authoritarianism. PATRIOT Act -> LIBERAL Act, Lying Idiotic Bumpkin Evil Republicans All Lifeless.
You need definitions in your life. By definitionm political liberalism is not authoritarian. If what you are looking at is authoritarian, it's not liberalism, it's something else. Liberal doesn't just mean "US left-wing".
I'm stuck interacting with people like you (not an insult! people who use definitions), and idiots who've never even looked up what liberalism is (they just call it a mental illness). I meant "liberalism" as it is used in America; it's hard to switch between definition-sets without some errors. Yeah, "liberal" authoritarian is an oxymoron.
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